That’s fair. You do also get more bang for your buck. I love the bunko size. But in my case I am reading the Kindle version of Steel Ball Run and just thought if I am running into this problem, others will as well.
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Maybe the rule should be if the version of the book that has both digital and physical releases should be the one on the site… but theres definitely stuff like Slam Dunk that don’t fit the criteria (no digital release, but multiple versions).
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Also, Sailor Moon has three different editions, all having a different volume count.
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らんま 1/2 is another series where this is an issue, I’m using a reprint that collects the original 38 volumes into 20. I’ve been checking the Wikipedia “list of Ranma 1/2 chapters” to figure out which original volumes mine correspond to, and entering that number instead.
I didn’t even think of making a feature for this on the site, since it seems like an uncommon and minor issue, but if it pops up in lots of series maybe it’s worth looking into. For me though, the workaround I mentioned above is simple enough that I don’t mind.
However, in general I think series should be listed in their originally published format, and if the SBR page is based on a reprint right now it should probably be changed.
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I noticed that 本好き has both the “Junior”【TOジュニア文庫】本好きの下剋上 (series) | L29 and tankobon 本好きの下剋上 (series) | L32 versions.
Not realizing that there was a policy, I requested the non-tsubasa version of おおかみこどもの雨と雪 | L29 because it was the version I read, and got rejected. If I remember correctly, the two versions had chapters that were slightly different. I wish it was a little more consistent which version was added if there is only one.
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So I think this is a very good discussion to have, thanks for bringing it up @WaniTsunami 
I’ll first say that I think I agree about listing multiple editions where the volume count is different. Originally, I was very averse to allowing multiple editions, but since this particular case is relatively rare and it’s a really big pain for user tracking, I think I should list multiple editions if the series volume counts are different going forward.
As for listing multiple editions for all books generally, @Naphthalene is correct about why listing only one edition is important. It compromises the difficult ratings but it goes even beyond that. If you start listing multiple editions then:
- user book reviews become split
- browsing through search becomes completely unusable (see amazon search!)
So, having only one listing in the database for each unique piece of text content is very, very useful. But when it comes to tracking progress, listing multiple editions is also useful. Eventually I’d love to allow you to choose your edition. In fact, i already have all the editions listed on the amazon page stored in the database, I just haven’t enabled users to toggle them yet.
I know 
Unfortunately we are adding a lot of books all the time and generally default to the user request if it’s tsubasabunko version or not. I think I’d generally prefer to use the non-tsubasabunko version, so if you find books with only the tsubasabunko one listed, feel free to submit feedback to change. The ones with both versions i’m somewhat using as an approximate test on how much impact tsubasabunko version has on difficulty rating.
Edition handling is actually one of the major things we can improve on the site, I agree. I think we can get to a place where edition handling is a major benefit for Natively compared to other sites (navigating editions can be very hard!) but we aren’t there yet and it will come after the other two major initiatives (movies & korean).
In the meantime, like I said, I think I’m happy to start listing editions with different volume counts, as you’re all pushing for here.
Aw @FredKore really appreciate your comments and sticking up for me 
! But yeah, I don’t think @WaniTsunami meant anything harsh by it as they later explained, they were just talking about how it looks, which tbh, I agree with.
Product requests can be quite direct as long as there are no ad hominums, which I can understand ‘lazy’ might be misinterpreted here to be.
What are our thoughts on all that?
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Why can’t you just keep the difficulty ratings together since ratings are for entire series anyway? Especially for manga, the content will usually be exactly the same. Granted for books it can be a little more complicated since one version may be full furigana while another isn’t.
As for reviews being split, I think you can partly resolve that by adding series reviews since you could have those reviews shared across versions. And similar to Amazon reviews, you can just note in the review which version that user read, in case it matters.
Regarding search becoming unusable, I think you can avoid that by implementing it like Goodreads. They have a primary listing for each book, which is what shows up in search. And then you can select your version from there. So rather than search becoming cluttered, you can have some kind of version/edition toggle on the series page itself.
Do you see edition handling as a large initiative like movies and additional languages? Maybe I’m being naive, but it seems more medium-sized than large-sized to me.
In that case, can you add this version of 満月をさがして? It has four volumes. Thanks!
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So, unfortunately in the book system Rating objects in the Database point towards Book, rather than the other way around which makes this relatively difficult to do. I’d have to write some code.
In the new audiovisual system, I fix this so I could have multiple series point towards one Rating object. Unfortunately, not right now for books
Exactly what i was imagining, yep. I do think we can have the best of both worlds
No, edition handling would be medium like content tags. So it’d probably come in the same bucket of requests.
Sure!
@Megumin I thought there was an ‘Improve Edition Handling’ trello ticket but it doesn’t look like it. Let’s approve this request and create a medium sized, core initiative trello ticket with:
- allow users to toggle edition information
- allow connection of series with different volume count
- surface edition read in book review?
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Well yeah, it’s usually necessary to write some code. 
I wasn’t asking why you couldn’t do this today. I meant as part of adding full support for editions maybe you should update this. For full support you’d have to add editions to the database in some form anyway, so this is something you could account for then.
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Glad I could clarify my wording. The site is incredible and amazing feat for just one person.
I’ve been pondering some other ideas, maybe there could be some sort of tag you can put on your books of which version your reading to avoid separation of titles/reviews/etc. Which brings me back to maybe making the published version of the book with the most volumes on the site and users can distinguish which version they have and that could have a preset for pages or whatever data is tied to that.
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So far I didn’t see book reviews as a series. That would be a related feature.
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In some cases, I would expect a large impact. For instead, in the case of キノの旅 1, there’s a whole chapter that was removed because it was too violent for a younger audience and replaced by an original (kid friendly) story. While I haven’t checked that story, I feel like a story written specifically with a younger audience in mind may be simpler.
I guess that, in such cases, splitting the book reviews does make some sense.
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It was mentioned in other thread, if I recall correctly it was about 星の王子さま, but no proposals really came out:
Will do the trello soon, just came from holidays.
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Sorry, @seanblue would you mind submitting a formal book request for that one with a note that it’s an alt version? If there’s anyone else who wants to submit alternate volume count editions, just go ahead and request them with a note that it’s an alt version with a different volume count. Thanks!
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That case ended up being due to the fact that 星の王子さま is a translated book; should different translations count as “editions” in the sense we’re talking about in this thread?
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Fair point. Maybe have editions where the grading is merged (when it only has an effect on the page count/volume count), and other editions where the grading is independent because they are translations or adaptations ?
For example there’s the 本好き, which has the normal books, and the Tsubasa Bunko edition.
One could argue if the grading should be different or not, but it would be nice to have the option to merge / umerge on a case per case bases.
Not sure how viable this is, maybe @brandon can chip in
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You’re right you can’t do that now - @seanblue was proposing a number of ideas, although it’s been discussed before and makes sense.
Oh yeah I don’t qualify different translations as different editions… they’re simply different books entirely as the text isn’t the same.
‘Edition handling’ as we’re discussing here only applies to different publications of the same text. Tsubasabunko, for instance, usually just applies hiragana and keeps the text the same making it simply a different edition. There are some rare cases as @Naphthalene mentioned where the tsubasabunko does change a few things, like a chapter, but for all intents and purposes, I think it’s usually ok to treat them as simply different editions.
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Lots of good discussion since I last saw this just a short while ago. If it matters, I was trying to help with a misunderstanding (a team of developers versus a single person), and to help clarify a good feature request that sounded similar to another request and contained charged words. It’s easy to misconstrue words on the internet. 
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I mean don’t get me wrong, I get where people see that I am frustrated, because I was. Which is why I said:
But I did try in my frustration to find a solution that was realistic and reasonable as someone who enjoys the product. I could have done better to not seem so angsty. However, this was a genuine request to find a solution and not just me ranting in an unhinged manner. I care about the functionality of the site as a user and want to see it improve. That’s all.
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