Mind sharing or dming me that source? May look for other shows too.
Ok I may elect to put at lowish B1. @HopeWaterfall & @NihongoLearner19, any thoughts? Also @HopeWaterfall what did you think of Elite?
Will put these under ‘considering’.
As an aside, I had no idea readlang had so many copyright infringing texts uploaded publicly… I found free versions of Harry Potter & El Alquimista 
They have one for Netflix shows too (not sure how up to date it is) but it’s paywalled (never mind I think it’s just whichever you read first)
It’s actually not super sophisticated, but it works well. Basically, all the comparisons up until today have been between two ‘unknown difficulty’ items. These comparisons are not processed until we have some known items in the system. Benchmarks are simply items which we set at a certain level and deem them ‘known’
Once we have enough ‘known’ items in the system, then other items with enough comparisons to those ‘known’ items start to become ‘known’ themselves… which can trigger other items to become known 
Where we set those initial benchmarks are important for indicating what ‘L30’ or ‘L20’ means. If we set the benchmarks poorly, then the grading system will need a lot more comparisons to figure itself out and the end result might mean that ‘L30’ isn’t B2, but more B1 or C1. (Imagine if we set El Principito to ‘known’ at lvl 35, but kept everything else the same… it’d be unfortunate)
This process is still somewhat new for me… but I think i’m doing a much better job here with Spanish than the previous languages and hopefully it’s a smoother process.
Ah, very interesting! Thank you for the explanation!
My memory of Coco isn’t very fresh. I remember watching it without any difficulties at a low B2, so B1 sounds right.
As for Elite, I agree with it being C1. Vocab is pretty extensive and they tend to speak very fast as well, with a mix of expressions. La casa de papel is easier than Elite, but I’m not sure whether it would be C1 or B2.
This conversation inspired me to actually watch Coco 
Having seen it, I think I’d say that vocab-wise it’s pretty doable, but I think the speed might be tricky for B1 learners. I think I would’ve had a hard time watching it if I’d tried two years ago. Then again, Spanish subs might compensate for that (I watched with no subs). But I have a hard time judging difficulty…
A low B1 to me are the Spanish portions of the Duolingo podcast, and this movie was certainly harder than that, though I think not out of reach for upper intermediate learners. I didn’t have perfect comprehension myself (songs are harder 
), but was easily able to follow the story.
I see. Yeah subs vs no subs is always a difficulty. I think I generally go for with subs rating as that’s more popular 
. I’m proposing L23 (mid B1), would be curious to hear @NihongoLearner19 's thoughts.
As an aside, we already have 90 unique series of books fully graded in Spanish!! the lvl 23 - 35 range is pretty darn well covered. It’s starting to take off 
We just need to work now on getting some C1 & C2 books set, along with TV & Movies.
Yeah tbh you could probably always add some to my gut feeling for level, I do not have great attention to detail so I’m generally like “oh yeah it was fine” 
honestly, it’s a somewhat impossible task to recommend native media for certain cefr levels… and even if we do agree on an objective rating, some people have a higher tolerance for ‘challenging but interesting’ things than others. I probably tend more towards the ‘I want it easy’ side.
At the end of the day, relative gradings are really what matter… and those will still be subjective to a degree! 
Yes, they’re the same books but different editions. I read the second one physically from my local library which is why I added it. Please feel free to clean up the titles.
I agree; Coco is definitely B1. It’s quite easy to understand. I watched it several years ago in a Spanish class, so I don’t remember whether or not it had subtitles. I think it was without them, though.
Ok, I marked coco, elite and la casa del papel as benchmarks! I moved elite & la casa del papel up one level, just to make them both C1.
I’m not able to access this. Mind copy pasting it to me? Or screenshots?
I can’t access it either 
I am terrible when it comes to grading TV media and films, but as far as I remember in Alta Mar everyone was speaking in a rather slow-ish way and had good enunciation, so yeah, it could be a good show for B2 learners and maybe even for B1 if they’re used to consuming Spanish language media
Ok! @joreneereads I set that at lvl 28 (low B2). Unfortunately it doesn’t have a ton of gradings yet, so won’t make a huge impact.
@nanasanchez yeah I agree, I think films are quite a bit harder to grade… but even if it’s a bit fuzzy, as long as we’re in the right ballpark it’s ok
And another proposal for you all:
@HopeWaterfall too
I’m honestly not sure. The thing his, I haven’t read anything harder than Crónica de una muerte anunciada, so that makes giving it a level difficult. It’s one that makes even native speakers struggle though.
El cartero de Neruda | L33?? could also be moved up as a benchmark. Similarly, some parts can be difficult for native speakers to understand, but I would still say it’s easier than Crónica de una muerte anunciada. I read it along with 30 people, 20 of them being native speakers, and everyone of us but one person missed a historical event, the death of the President . Somehow that just flew right over our heads.
So if we say that Crónica de una muerte anunciada is L40, then El cartero de Neruda would be L36 or L38 I think.
Perhaps then we move them up:
If even native speakers are struggling with it.
Since @nanasanchez seems (maybe?) at beyond C2, we could put their hardest books at the. top:
L49 - Reivindicacion del conde don julian
L46 - Rayuela
Im in the same boat, Crónica is the most difficult thing I’ve read. Not to lean too heavily on ReadLang but it also puts that at C1. I’d say 40+ seems good.
Personally I didn’t find Crónica de una muerte anunciada that difficult, but I agree that it might be very difficult to follow as the perspective changes without any warning, so I would agree with C2 level
Rayuela and Reivindicacion del conde don julian are the books that I read years ago at uni, so my memory might be a bit hazy. Both are experimental novels that make them difficult to understand (I remember that Reivindicación was very short, but the explanation/essay was as long as the book itself). It’s a stream of consciousness without full stops/periods.
Half or Rayuela has normal chapters that show the story in more or less sequential order, and half are… well, everything. Essays on music, additional plot chapters, some philosophy ideas. The thing is, you don’t have to read the second part (the author says it himself in the introduction), and read only the story chapters. But still, Rayuela is a strong C2 level. I read it while I was at C1 level myself and it was a struggle to follow sometimes.
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