ハサミ男 Informal Reading Club ✂ (Profoundly Weird Book Club, Mystery)

My copy also does not have a table of contents.

The sections are a bit odd. It goes
1-8,
then 第一章 (which has a no-name + section 9),
第二章 (no name + 10),
第三章 (no name, 11+12),
第四章 (no name + 13),
第五章 (no name + 14),
第六章 (no name + 15),
第七章 (no name + 16),
第八章 (no name + 17+18),
第九章 (no name + 19),
第十章 (no name + 20),
第十一章 (no name + 21-26),
第十二章 (no name),
第十三章 (no name),
第十四章 (no name + 27)

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So you all see the numbered sections as part of the chapters? :exploding_head:

The way I see it, the novel has 27 numbered sections, and 14 chapter (章) sections, depending on who’s pov we’re following. They are completely independent from each other, but in more or less chronological order (some happen at roughly the same time) which is why they’re ordered in this weird way. 41 chapters all together, all separate from each other, just following a different numbering convention.

I guess this explains the whole wrong spoiler cofusion…

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Yes, but I think that’s part of the fun of the book and shablul was just realizing which is why they asked for a table of contents. Confusion is part of the reading experience :sparkles:

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Thank you!!! :heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands::heart_hands:

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It’s just that I’m used to book chapters being made into several audiobook tracks so I wasn’t sure if it was on purpose or not lol

Edit; the wrong spoiler is why I asked actually, I wanted to be able to share accurately where I am instead of second guessing from which track is the chapter :joy:

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so now that I know the book structure and I don’t need to worry about what chapter am I actually in lmao

I have finished 9 and the following are my thoughts so far:

I’m sorry cat, I still don’t get what’s supposed to be funny :joy: I feel like it’s more of a you humor than dark humor :rofl:

aside from that I’m getting flashbacks to reading Dexter
they both have this really “casual” and “urban” way of describing the killer and their thought process, and there’s this importance to putting scenes to make them either relatable or really “human” in general (like likable qualities and etc)

I saw that biblio was confused by whether or not the ‘doctor’ is real, I personally think he’s probably based on a real person but is not real in the physical sense (as evident in “only 2 people know that you didn’t kill her, you ands the copycat” without counting himself)

I really liked the twist in where the story is going, second copycat and all that
I initially thought it was gonna go to the “daily life and occurrences of a serial killer” but now it feels like an actually fleshed out story lol

The first interlude gives us so much info to boot
like the fact that there are more victims associated with the scissors man than told to the public, is it because he killed more or is the copycat active for a while now, or just the police over-generalizing things? :thinking:
also the fact that the copy killer is that accurate, to be using the same scissors and the same antics, does that mean they have an “in” to the police reports or to the MCs life? or maybe a 1 in a million unlikely coincidence :thinking:

it should also be interesting to see if we get some in to the police investigation part, especially since we have some duality into the perspective

as of now the obvious “first suspect” to the copy killer is probably the man our MC saw with the victim, but the plot only started to thicken just now so Idk :joy:

edit: btw I saw that there’s a movie based on the book, has anyone seen and can say whether or not it’s worth a try after finishing?

Edit 2: I can’t add in different message due to 3 consecutive messages so adding here

Finished the second interlude

wth is with the percentage, am I tripping or is that hella weird to use in that situation

I don’t think thats how statistics work? Maybe I’m the weird one who doesn’t get it?

Like I get using statistics in profiling to say that there’s a certain percentage of probability to it yes or no being the same killer and saying “it’s very likely it is” from it but out right using a very specific number feels really really out of place for the situation

Idk maybe I’m being weird over things that are completely reasonable

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Posting to unblock you, and to say that I agree that that percentage felt out of the blue and I was very surprised that no one asked how he arrived at that number. I was expecting at the very least a list of similarities and possible differences to the previous murders that would explain it. (not sure what the second interlude is supposed to be but from what you wrote I assume you are referring to the police conference where a 70% likelihood was mentioned )

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Since there are parts 1,2,3… with MC pov and then suddenly 第1章 with police officer pov etc with the rest, I kinda concluded that this is basically the same principle as interlude so I started calling them that lol

Sorry about that

Edit: and thank you for the unblock :heart::heart::heart:

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I tend to not question logic in mystery books too closely, so I take numbers in stride… I don’t even remember the stats.

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a question for reporting reasons

how is the いっし name written in the book, as in kanji-wise or katakana etc?

who? :thinking:

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Do you maybe mean 医師? The person who told the bear joke?

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Yes! Thank you!!

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Dr. Who :upside_down_face:

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tracks 10 ー 第5話

I really like how it’s shown from killer pov with intercepts from that one newbie officer

But I think that what I like best is how “Dissonance” is a repeating strong motive in everything

like how 医師 will admit to dying with the killer but when it comes to “thoughts” they’re supposedly his and the killers in contrast rather than the same, to the point that the 医師 supposedly read something that the killer didn’t

another such point is seeing how much of an extreme the killers image of the victim is compared to how the police finds things around her, like how the killer can’t imagine her meeting any guy familiarly other than the other killer, as compared to the police that can easily say that she was a girl that went around with guys like that (though we still dont know if that was the relationship between them or if he was the other killer or a relative, we hear about him so much from the MC yet we know nothting of him lol)

I also like how there’s a dissonance between what they explain about him on TV, from which he adjusts his imagination of a ridiculous cartoon-ish villain being the ハサミ男 and his feelings IRL and he starts to compare
it really does well to make a vibe out of the dissonance of it

I can really go on but you get it lmao

Another thing I liked was the bit of explanation on profiling and how it differs between USA and Japan.
It presented both the issues and advantages of this method (not into many details, but an overall that is often overlooked in popular media) and even talked a bit about how it will become irrelevant with time as a separate profession, so that was a refreshing presentation of this subject.

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I reached 22
I need to work on my “updating the book club” capabilities

To summarize some of my reports on the book up to now

Tracks 15-17

it’s interesting that they’re reaching a half right half wrong conclusion
aside from that seeing a serial killer play detective through being a “freelancer” is also an interesting development, it happens a lot in crime dramas where they dress like police and etc but this one felt a bit different than that? like it wasn’t to get access and more to get information

from things that the police characters are hinting at and from how much “similarities” seem to develop between the killer and victim I would guess that either they’re trying to make it seem like the scissors man will start rethinking his actions but will reach some conclusion that has him staying in his current path

Tracks 18-20

this entire sequence was me comparing things to other things I recalled in my head, from things like the Iceman interview to the cops from Death Note or the movie Memories of Murder (same director as parasite, interesting movie, I recommend :+1: )
as a general the plot is getting very monotone, things aren’t changing much even when they do “change”, to the point that if you tell me about that point I’ll remember but I have a hard time recalling the plot myself…
will hopefully get better

Tracks 20 - 22

Just as I was afraid of things turning monotone there’s a step up so nice timing on the author’s part :+1:
I also liked the debate on the main personality theme and honestly just as I was thinking about how an interesting of a plot twist it’ll be if the main personality was the crazy doctor it came up lol
Especially since there was the whole “I feel emotions while you don’t”, which personally makes me feel like that makes the killer the main personality that has issues that block their ability to feel properly
I also won’t put it past the crazy doctor to say that as a “deceptive joke” towards their situation, as in he doesn’t actually feel but is just being humorous towards himself
But also the idea of being stuck in your body while something is using your body to kill is always an interesting one to explore (kinda reminds me of “Psycho” or “At Dead of Night”)

I probably need to listen to 22 again because I’m not sure if I’m not understanding correctly things or if I just don’t remember things correctly from previous chapters. This is probably the point in which having the actual text would have probably been more beneficial then the audiobook because I can’t quickly go back and check something because I thought this or that.

As of now my conclusion is that this entire time we were seeing both hers and his point of view and that’s why the confusion

but because I do not have such a good memory pinpointing it out from how it was phrased is near impossible for me so I kind I would need to really listen to a lot of the previous chapters to really understand what happened. Like for example I remember the workplace teasing about a date and how the narrator was on the obese side but from the narration in this chapter it would seem like that’s wrong? Or am I misunderstanding or misremembering who is who and mishmeshing things?
I would really need to go over and pin point who is who in the narratation by each chapter.

But if that is the case then I f****** love it because that’s a really cool way to create the plot twist!

I would also like to say that if this is really the case then I am really surprised because I really didn’t notice any differences between the two points of views and so I was legitimately confused as to how come this or that. I can recall places where this was really smooth to boot like when the doorbell rang when the police came to Hidakas place but then you need to address the fact that it was probably another person in the doorbell for that woman if that was the case.

Maybe in writing it’s not as smooth since the narrator in the book is male and that kind of affirms a lot of “precedents” regarding assumptions in the book and etc, which is also a cool way to think of how they decided to do an audiobook.

Though there are comments about the clothes that will make sense now which I was previously confused as to why it bothered people or why people would act in this or that way towards the narrator (I kind of dismissed it as overdramatic behaviors that are typical to the crime genre), but also will need to pinpoint things here again because there were connections I made previously that I will need to reconsider or something

also a side note

Japanese heavy accent French was not something I was expecting and I have no words

edit:

going through previous spoilers and seeing omk guess everything ahead is hilarious lmao
I was listening to it really casually so I just chucked it up as some kind of dexter+criminal minds crossover so I didn’t take details into account, I feel like I had more fun with the twist because of it though lol

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So I finished!
Overall I really liked it, I was honestly expecting something else entirely though lol (and pre-reading for some reason I was under the impression that the scissors go up the v and not the throat lol)

Since I was listening super casually while driving a lot of things were mished meshed and I think that helped my experience be a better one actually, since things that in delay were really obvious I glazed over as “crime drama overdramatics” or simply me not remembering where when what happened

Listening to the end and explanations was just me laughing the entire ride because all the things I found weird but dismissed because “crime genre overdramatics” were actually plot points that really were unnatural

I finally understood the joke @cat :joy_cat:
It honestly felt like the entire book was a satire at the end of it :rofl:

Regardless it’s a cool concept that the author played with and made me think about whether or not something like this is possible for translation in my native, where speaking with someone will necessarily bring up their gender by conjugation, and so at the very least you can get away with writing words that are written the same but an audiobook will be impossible without spoiling lol

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