Level Color Change Proposal

someone (cough me cough) already did… it gets a “mature content” warning in the information. And I think Brandon would not show the cover, if it were explicit. :see_no_evil:

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I threw the new color scheme into a colorblindness simulator (they’re not perfect, I know), and the colors look reasonably distinguishable to me at total red/green colorblindness, but the gradient no longer works, and it may be hard to see some against the site background:
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I would also vote against having it end in black. Partially because I think it looks really ugly :sweat_smile: but in addition, white text on a black background can be hard for people to read. For instance, it can cause ‘ghosting’ for some people with astigmatism.

Colorbrewer has a variety of color schemes, including gradients, and it has an option for only seeing colorblind-friendly combinations. There seem to be a variety of options for a gradient with six members. Maybe one of them would work?

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What about a settings option in the account that allows you to choose between different palettes?

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I guess I’m one of the few who actually liked the color scheme as it currently is… :sweat_smile: Having all of the groupings labeled with distinct colors gives you an easy name to reference each group instead of calling them by the JLPT levels which are mere guidelines. I think most of us would avoid referring to the current purple grouping as the “N3 books” since many of the books in that group may be much easier or harder for someone who specifically studied for the N3 exam (unless they are graded readers intended for that level). Plus, I think it’s much less awkward than having to call them the “L20-26 books” whenever you want to talk about them. Maybe I’m just overly attached to trivial details but I’ve already started mentally associating certain books with the color groupings.

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and then there’s me, who didn’t know what on earth people were talking about with the term “purple levels” until this thread popped up. It was only when I saw the chart at the top of this thread that I realized there were colors in the number circles on my dashboard and finally understood the phrase. I’m not colorblind btw, just clueless.

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lol I didn’t even know that there were any on the website lol :joy: Is it something we can filter out of searches? I haven’t seen any, but maybe it’s because im ignoring a particular level of books.

Same! I was just coming to mention that because I remembered watching a video about accessible web design…I haven’t had to mention anything about epilepsy because there doesn’t seem to be any motion/motion-inducing aspects on the website. Should ads/gifs eventually be added, then I would propose that there be the option to only allow them to “flicker”/play upon interaction/hovering.

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I’m also guilty as charged. In my case, I have mentioned in the notes that it contains adult content when I added it, which ended up on the book page.

I don’t think you can filter for those at the moment. I am planning to give it the TL tag when I reorganize my books. Maybe that’s something that will be searchable in the future.

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Ngl, I don’t think this is an optimal place to have that lol. Especially considering that it wasn’t bolded/capitalized and it’s in an area that most people are going to gloss over. I had to stare at the page for a bit to even process it’s there. So I’d say that there still may need to be a separate little banner or something to go alongside the difficulty level banner. That, or it needs to be made to actually grab your eye.

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I do my best to clearly call out content warnings in my reviews. Also, because a good deal of what I read is darker subject matter I make a point to clarify if it’s consensual or not.

Here are two examples: モテ薬 review, スマホを落としただけなのに review

As to level - the only book in the “N3/Intermediate” range I recall with adult content is Dear Friends which I admittedly both read and reviewed quite some time ago (I read it maybe a year before Natively came online?). I don’t imagine there is anything in the beginner ratings that would qualify excepting audiovisual which isn’t on the site yet.

…But I also submitted 18+ content for the initial database seed soooooo. Yes. Filters, tags, clear markins, etc would all be good.

Edit: I didn’t realize or perhaps forgot there was something that also displayed on the book page :sweat_smile: I don’t think I ever note it when adding a book, aside from one book I hesitated to submit at all and that warning wasn’t for sexual themes but for another topic entirely

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let’s move this conversation to the Product Updates & Casual Natively Discussion :slight_smile:

… and stay on the color change proposal here.

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Ah! But there was a connection to color changes that I forgot to post in my previous message (got distracted while typing…)
I was the part about

To me, that makes a lot of sense and it allows you to have this information at a glance without needing an extra :underage: marker (which might add clutter)
I think it’s an appropriate “you’ve been warned” color… as long as there isn’t anything else that looks black to colorblind people in whatever color palette you end up using.

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Eh, I think I like an extra marker. Level colors are too important.

I think by default 18+ content will be filtered out (that’s what sites like AniList do)… so it’s not like we need super big markers for it. It’d only be surfaced to people who explicitly want that content.

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I give mine the R18 tag… I still find it funny that Japanese call smutty romance books Teen’s Love :sweat_smile:

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A gradient sounds logical, but it might not be intuitive which color is on either end. There is a color scale many should be familiar with:

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This is just a starting point, the green in particular should probably be tweaked. White through Orange is sort of an “industry standard”, but it falls apart above that. I like the original proposal’s Black here: “So hard, we don’t even have a color for it.” :sweat_smile:

A downside is that Blue and Purple are very close in some forms of color blindness. Their brackets are adjacent though, so this might be acceptable.

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I think the current color scheme is fine and also okay with the proposed color scheme. For those that don’t Iike the black it could be made into an orange color instead then.

I do for sure like the idea of green being beginner/N5 I feel makes a lot of sense.

If for colorblind people it’s hard to tell from the green, turquoise, and blue then maybe the turquoise color could be removed?

Green Beginner/N5
Blue Upper Beginner/N4
Purple Intermediate N3
Red Advanced N2
Orange Advanced N1
Black Advanced N1+

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Just as an update on this thread - I want to mock up some different alternatives and see if we like them first… then potentially do another thread & final poll.

May not be for a week though :slight_smile:

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If there are more than two options, please consider making it multiple choice so we can pick as many as we want. Also, an “I don’t care” option would be nice. :slight_smile:

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picking as many as we want sounds great, but maybe each choice could have a priority? so my 1st choice is the one i like the most, then 2nd choice, then 3rd etc.

While that sounds great in theory, I’m not doing a ranked choice voting algorithm for a color change poll :joy: :joy:

If you really just prefer one, then choose that one. Hopefully no one hates any of them, so not a terribly big deal.

Edit: Although perhaps discourse has it out of the box. If they do, then I can do ranked choice. I just assume they don’t… but they have something called ‘number rating’, not sure.

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that’s fine, it was only a suggestion! i did think a code for a poll like that would be available out there in the internet, but as i don’t code at all, that is just the impression of someone who knows nothing about it lmao.

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