So they say essentially the same, just Bunpro talks about two more kanji for the same phrase.
Edit: I assume there will be people who will write をもとに just so that they don’t have to choose the kanji; some to leave it vague, some as they have forgotten about the difference.
Joining the club! I started Tobira a few years ago, but dropped it after a while. Time to pick it back up.
I started a Tobira study group on the Wanikani forums a few years ago. The threads for the first chapters have lots of replies, the threads for the last chapters have none. So I think having everything in one thread is better. The threads are locked now, but you might find some answers in the discussions, at least for the first few chapters.
Happy studying!
Thank you, that’s very helpful!! As the textbook and the additional resources don’t have an answer key.
Chapter 5 Video Questions
I don’t know if someone wants to cross-check my answers …
Video link
(The videos are hilariously 90s style and the audio quality is horrendous, but well maybe that will train my ability to ignore background noises)
I ◯✕✕◯◯
II
１）すしの作り方、ご飯の炊き方(?)、魚の切り方、みそ汁の作り方
２）お客さんに飲み過ぎないで欲しがっています。
III
ありますね
変な感じ
ダメですね(?)
話しなきゃ
いろんな話が出るよ
たくさん
Finished Chapter 5!
This was a useful chapter for me, and I liked the expressions in the dialogues for how you state differences/commonalities in dialogue. I will most definitely overuse 気がします from now on.
I will probably start Chapter 6 in the upcoming days (after brewing a little). For me, my previous checklist worked well to keep track, so I think I will keep it.
Week 1
Do Introduction pages
Listen to the main text audio only
Read main text without looking anything up
Read through vocabulary, highlight unknown words in the list
Read main text again, highlight unknown words/kanji and look them up
Listen to the dialogues audio only
Read / shadow dialogues and vocabulary, highlight unknown words
Answer the reading understanding questions
Work through grammar section, 2 pages or ~5 grammar items each batch
Cross-lookup grammar in ADoJG and Bunpro
Highlight grammar structures in main text/dialogues
Do the grammar exercises per batch
Do the kanji writing sheets (just tracing and memorizing)
Week 2
Do the application grammar exercises
Read / shadow the dialogue practice dialogues
Do the kanji PDF from the website
Do the extra grammar PDF from the website
Do the expansion grammar exercises
Do the pairwork exercises
Do video and LPO questions
Read the extra cultural note
Review by re-reading all the texts and focusing on grammar
Review some exercises online on Seth Clydesdale’s Tobira page
Chapter Complete
Congrats on finishing chapter 5!
I haven’t started yet because I was reviewing my previous book and I wasn’t sure know where to start with Tobira.
There’s a lot of material (I have the Grammar and Kanji books too).
Your checklist looks super helpful, do you mind if I use it as template?
Not at all!
Also if you start feel free to make an entry in the participant wiki (I link my current list there as well).
I’ve not started yet either, I’ve fallen a bit behind with MNN so need to catch up on that first.
Your checklist does look very useful. I never thought of something like that as I usually just tick off pages or chapters as a whole. Breaking it down like that does seem a lot more useful. I still need to work out my study schedule for Tobira but will post on the table once I start.
Thanks again for setting this up 
Thank you!
I was thinking about Tobira few days ago and bam found this study group! Guess it’s destiny and I’m ready to start 
Haven’t worked on the chapter for a while due to personal circumstances, but planning to finish chapter 6 hopefully this week 
Anyone else feel the annoyance when everything has to be prepared and perfect for your study sessions? I wanted to sit down, now where’s my goddamn mechanical pencil (I found my dedicated highlighter at least)
Did not complete all my checkmarks for this chapter yet, but for the sake of progressing I will say that I finished chapter 6 and move on to chapter 7. Skipped most of the graph describing parts since I don’t believe my future paths involve me making power point presentations in Japanese.
Topic-wise chapter 6 was a bit meh for me, I didn’t really have a lot to say about religion. Next chapter is about pop-culture, that sounds pretty interesting.
Let’s hope I won’t take 4 weeks for this chapter 
Week 1
Do Introduction pages
Listen to the main text audio only
Read 本文1 without looking anything up
Read through vocabulary, highlight unknown words in the list
Read main text again, highlight unknown words/kanji and look them up
Read 本文2 without looking anything up
Read through vocabulary, highlight unknown words in the list
Read main text again, highlight unknown words/kanji and look them up
Listen to the dialogues audio only
Read / shadow dialogues and vocabulary, highlight unknown words
Answer the reading understanding questions
Work through grammar section, 2 pages or ~5 grammar items each batch
Cross-lookup grammar in ADoJG and Bunpro
Highlight grammar structures in main text/dialogues
Do the grammar exercises per batch
Do the kanji writing sheets (just tracing and memorizing)
Week 2
Do the application grammar exercises
Read / shadow the dialogue practice dialogues
Do the kanji PDF from the website
Do the extra grammar PDF from the website
Do the expansion grammar exercises
Do the pairwork exercises
Do video and LPO questions
Read the extra cultural note
Review by re-reading all the texts and focusing on grammar
Review some exercises online on Seth Clydesdale’s Tobira page
Chapter Complete
I’m finally getting back on track, finished Chapter 7 and am now working through Chapter 8.
Textbook
Do Introduction pages
Listen to the main text audio only
Read 読み物 without looking anything up
Read through vocabulary, highlight unknown words in the list
Read 読み物 again, highlight unknown words/kanji and look them up
Listen to the 会話文 audio only
Read 会話文, highlight unknown vocab
Answer the reading understanding questions
Work through grammar section, 2 pages or ~5 grammar items each batch
Cross-lookup grammar in ADoJG and Bunpro
Highlight grammar structures in main text/dialogues
Workbook
Do the grammar exercises per batch
Do the kanji writing sheets (just tracing and memorizing)
Do the application grammar exercises
Do the kanji PDF from the website
Do the extra grammar PDF from the website
Do the expansion grammar exercises
Do video and LPO questions
Review
Re-read all the texts and focusing on grammar
Review some exercises online on Seth Clydesdale’s Tobira page
Chapter Complete
Finished Chapter 9, but without doing any grammar or dialogue exercises. I was losing motivation (again) and thought it’s better to at least brush through the chapter than stalling again. Still did the kanji exercises though. This chapter (about education system) was a bit more interesting than the last one, but still not very exciting. May come back to the exercises when I feel like I can fully concentrate on them.
I do have a tendency to suffer from “kid in a candy store syndrome” when it comes to choosing and sticking with a textbook - I’m in that awkward between-N4-and-N3 stage, and while I started Genki 2 some time ago, somehow I have misplaced that book (I’m sure that it will show up again someday).
In the interim, I have bought the Quartet volumes, but haven’t quite started them.
Now, I’ve been given a Kinokuniya gift card as a birthday present, and a quick look at their textbook section seems to show that it’s pretty sparse, but the Tobira books are available there, so I’m seriously considering taking the plunge and adding them to my collection (and, maybe even using them to learn some stuff).
Am I going to regret doing that? I’ve watched and read a number of comparisons between Tobira and Quartet, and the reviews are a mixed bag, but the general impression that I’ve gotten is that Quartet may be better than Tobira for self-study.
Anyone care to share their opinion on this topic? Maybe I’m in the wrong place for that - but maybe it’s actually the right place, I dunno…
I made it through neither Quartet or Tobira, but I think I’d agree that Quartet felt easier for self study.
I don’t know if you’re in the position to do so (or would even want to do so), but pretty much the only thing that got me to finally go through a textbook was finding a tutor and doing textbook lessons. And even then I don’t actually do any of the textbook exercises except what she assigns to me 
A long, long time ago, when I first started on my Japanese learning path, I was fortunate enough to have weekly half-hour-long sessions with a Japanese language tutor, paid for by the company that I was working for at the time. We used Japanese for Busy People, volumes 1 and 2 - and it was a great experience.
Since that time my learning has been much less structured, meandering around rather than focusing and truly learning, but over time I have improved my skills quite a bit through watching and listening to anime and through using WK to attack the kanji (up to WK level 17 now, but I’m on vacation mode), as well as various half-hearted attempts to use YouTube and Satori Reader and NHK Easy News and the like.
So yes, I would benefit immensely from having a one-on-one tutor - except that other demands on my time may make that difficult right now.
So I’m probably going to continue with a mixed bag of self-study for at least a while.
That said, I guess that if I were to purchase the Tobira books, the worst downside to doing that would be that instead of owning 1000 Japanese language books that I have not read yet, I would own 1003 of them.
You always talk about books in plural, but the intermediate Tobira text book, i.e. the equivalent for maybe two thirds of the two Quartett books is just one book.
