リング Informal Reading Club ⭕ ☠

No it wasn’t explicitly stated, but it can be one interpretation. I took it more as him being asexual instead.
I would say we’ll never know but… since 浅川 can somehow interact somewhat with his ghost, maybe there’s more to that story in the other books?

It didn’t happen all the time, only in situations that were somewhat connected to 貞子. Maybe her (indirect) influence was at play?

I think so too… but again, why? What was she trying to accomplish by doing that? Did she actually want to communicate (like telling him the missing part? That would actually make sense) but failed to?

That’s also what I thought… but I guess it would be quite terrifying to do so.

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Maybe I’m the only one that got that impression reading it? The timing and the ambiguous way his student talked about it made me think so. Plus, the fact he approached Asakawa in the first place and told outrageous lie about being a rapist would have made sense as his “cover” so that Asakawa never thinks he has feelings for him. It would also make sense he watched the tape and did so much to help him lift the curse - it was out of love?! It could be that I read too many romance stories so my brain went there first. Either way that plot element was weird.

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Who would have expected リング to be BL? :joy: But yes, that’s a likely explanation. He did willingly sacrifice himself for his friend, after all. His lies had so much detail, though - if they were lies. I still think he might appear in the next volumes and his backstory could be explored more. Although I’m not sure there was a plan for a whole series from the start. If not, then the things that are left vague in this book were originally supposed to stay vague forever.

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So, do we have any idea what the “ring” is supposed to be? Was it ever mentioned?

I thought
it’s the spreading of the video tape aka. the virus :thinking:
You know, like when a mushroom spreads, it does so in a ring shape, and I figured the tape would have the same spreading shape ideally?

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My thought was that it was the well since it makes a ring shape?

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I also thought it might be the light she saw from within the well. Not all japanese wells are round, but I think this one was? But if it was never explained, maybe it will turn out to be something completely different that will only be revealed in the next volumes.

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Yes, something like that. On page 324 鈴木 writes: 一体、この環はどこまで広がっているのか。Here I see 環 as リング.

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I thought it was a reference to the ring virus. I don’t have the exact quote since I don’t have the book anymore, but googling I found 貞子の霊が天然痘ウィルスと遺伝子レベルで交信した. In the book, the video tape is called the リングウィルス in reference to the 天然痘 virus being ring shaped or something like that. Similarly, I assume that ラセン, the next book, is a reference to the shape of DNA.

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I thought it was about the phone ringing. :rofl:

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That makes a lot of sense, you are so sharp :sparkles:

I love this though!

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TIL that the author of this book (and series) died on May 8th, aged 68.

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It’s probably just me but Japanese creatives (authors, manga artists, etc.) seem to die young.

RIP

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I saw this earlier this year :pensive_face: , but it did remind me I should read this book. So I’ve started too.

Aaand I read through 第一章 in one go :sweat_smile:

Really enjoyed the scene setting with these two mysterious deaths, especially 智子’s - which dropped in just enough details to leave you intrigued right off the bat.

浅川’s detective-ing was also satisfying, with stuff moving along pretty smoothly each section.

Feels mad that 辻遥子 and 智子 having near identical, slightly weird, deaths and being from the same school didn’t already raise alarm bells with police etc. (but who knows incompetent police isn’t always that far fetched).

浅川 debating what fear is did feel like the only other horror-y section.
I was, however, thinking the whole time: if I was a baby and one of those oni masks was staring down at me when I woke up, I’d probably be terrified too lol.

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And finished chapter 2

Again amazing job of both 浅川’s detective skills and/or very (un?)lucky guesses (e.g. deciding that a VHS lying on the book made it crease that way).

I’m on the side of being suspicious of the caretaker guy - and feel like he should be the guy with some answers about the tape/origin later.

Also, as with @bungakushoujo, at this point I’m speculating that sharing the burden of the video with someone else might be the trick to save yourself (and hence what the caretaker’s done).

And finally the actual big scene of the tape - this was 怖い!It’s always tricky with horror where keeping something unnamed/unshown/etc. is scarier than the thing itself, but I feel like this scene, and the dread in it, was written well.

That said, I feel like if I was watching the film in the daylight it would give very nouveau art/film school vibes in real life.

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I am having a lot of fun reading your thoughts and remembering the book. It’s been so long since this club happened, so it’s nice to see the thread revived!

It was indeed 怖い!鈴木 did a great job writing this part and picking the images.

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Yay. thank you!! I feel like at least 50% of the time I’m reviving old clubs rather than participating in current ones :nerd_face:

And I have also finished! And greatly enjoyed reading through everyone’s commentary now I’ve finished too! (apologies quite long rambly thoughts)

Thoughts on chapter 3:

Right off the bat Ryuuji being a rapist was incredibly jarring. So far seems like the only point of this is to tell us he’s a bit of a bad guy (rather than the actual fact he should be in jail and not the friend to our protagonist).

And second quite jarring reveal that Sadako is intersex, which felt like it came with no build up, and was a lot for shock factor.

Both of these reflect the time it was written in (and perhaps the genre/style?), but I feel like it’s still not fully forgivable, there’s plenty of literature which doesn’t play to these tropes.

But annoyances out of the way:
The whole structure of having a countdown clock to our chapter 3 worked really well in building up the tension (although I admit that I felt a bit info-dumped upon in the middle of ch3).

竜司’s (slightly overpowered) deduction skills/just general effort of connecting the dots felt fun. (e.g. blinking being the video’s black frames - which I felt a bit of a rush being roped into the discovery at the same time as 浅川).

Aside: - lol at how much I got used to reading 仮に in this section.

Similar to @Naphthalene, up until now I’ve noticed a lot of foreshadowing around reflections, so during reading ch 3 I was thinking this would somehow be an important part of the curse.

And the ending of ch3 was very tense, and actually discovering the skull felt very occult/mystic.

Thoughts on chapter 4:

I sort of expected as such (too many doubts left towards the end of ch3), but the curse isn’t cleanly lifted just by finding Sadako’s grave.

I had also picked up on foreshadowing around virus’ earlier, so as soon as 竜司’s final scene started I was on the same wavelength as him, and had seen that 浅川 escaped because he shared the video. (Although 浅川 later seemed to be convinced this also includes the requirement of making a copy of the tape - which I didn’t see as obvious)

And like @bungakushoujo I read it as us being told 竜司 was gay. In my head there was the implication he’d made up this persona to hide out of shame/embarrassment - which I think given society at the time, may have been more obviously read between the lines.

And the ending pretty satisfying for me, we’ve got 浅川 talking out his last reservations, but ultimately deciding to try to save his family & unleash the virus (which I felt nicely wraps up the book, but also leaves a lot to happen in later books)

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