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Thanks for the kind replies :smiling_face:

I guess I could try taking N3 seeing that it’s still kinda far, I’m just more of a play it safe kinda type, I still have to work on grammar a lot (especially for the types of questions, where they ask for nuances).

Currently I’m reading the Japanese translation for Semantic Error (セマンティックエラー 1 | L30??)

I tried a bit learning Korean, felt a bit like I mis-skilled when I got into K-Pop in 2021. I know some people manage multiple languages but I’m fully occupied learning Japanese (and a bit of Spanish which is unfortunately suffering due to that).

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Can’t be mine :joy: it’s a mess of tables and references I made for myself and chitchat with other people.

It’s your log, whatever format pleases you is best.

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That is at least 20 years later than I started :sweat_smile: :melting_face: :sob:

As someone who occasionally keeps a (messy) language log I can attest to having it to look back on feels good over time!

And yay, another yaoi/BL stan!
It didn’t get me into Japanese in the first place, but it certainly is a big part of why I persevered :sweat_smile:

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I know I’m not THAT old but being in some online communities it really feels like it when it’s made out of a majority of younger users. I used to have a really nice K-pop discord server but recently it is overrun by minors and idk I can’t fawn my bias the same way as some of those kids that could be my own… /minirant

I feel like here it’s pretty much mixed but also on average a bit maturer? (I don’t know if there is any user statistic for that). I also have the impression it’s less male-dominated as say for example the Reddit and Discord Learning spaces which is honestly refreshing. I guess on Reddit it’s the IT/CS bubble, I joined a Japanese Zoom class from my community college and we are all girls from ages 20-50.

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And, the first summary and thoughts about stuff I’m doing right now (copied also in the start post):

Currently Reading:

Semantic Error

https://learnnatively.com/book/c81b38ea37/
I’ve watched the K-Drama and was absolutely in love with Seoham and Jaechan, they had such a great chemistry and they incorporated the characters really well. After that I started reading English fan translations of the novel, which is an absolute masterpiece. The characters are so interesting and their POVs so well-written, and the way the romance develops is so engaging and fun. One of the characters is pretty much autistic, and it’s written in a way that you can understand the way he’s acting and rationalizing.
There is a Japanese translation, so I’m currently reading that. The level is a bit above mine (I would say N2 level), so I’m reading it with lots of lookups and without taking down the vocab, otherwise it would just take too much time.

Yotsuba&!

よつばと! | L17
Current volume: 12
I love slice of life, so as the most recommended beginner manga it’s totally up my alley. I love Yotsuba so much, she’s so adorable and such a lovely kid.

鬼滅の刃

鬼滅の刃 | L24
Current volume: 2
I watched the anime and Tanjirou might be one of my favorite protagonists ever. I like that he’s different from the usual Shounen protagonists, he’s a very sensitive person who’s deeply compassionate about other people and I love how they picture the sibling relationships, it’s so wholesome. There is some fantasy-related vocab and some archaic choice of kanji/words which are a bit more difficult.

葬送のフリーレン

葬送のフリーレン | L26
Current volume: 1
I started this after watching the first episodes of the anime. The pace is slow at the beginning, as in the anime. While I didn’t mind it in the anime, it feels a bit sluggish to be reading about it again. The level is alright, lots of fantasy-related vocab which repeats regularly so it’s fairly doable to learn.

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It seems you haven’t seen her dark side yet…

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I wouldn’t mind, in my 30+ years of living I haven’t found a single 4-leafed clover…

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Yeah that was a huge challenge for me in both. I finally finished book 1, and decided to skip to book 7 (where the anime leaves off), but am considering making myself read 2-6 as well.

I often wonder (and simultaneously appreciate not knowing) what the demographics here are. In any case, I agree about it feeling very refreshing :slight_smile:

Your profile is cool btw. Kinda considering rewriting mine in JP now too :slight_smile: tho I never know what to write for these things…

I started reading the manga for the upcoming arc forever ago, but got distracted, which is probably good, since now I can’t get grumpy about adaptation choices :slight_smile:

I also love Tanjirou in this regard (also 花江夏樹 :heart_eyes:)… Particularly I love that he’s able to both be really compassionate and not have a crisis over doing his work. Not sure if you’d agree, but some others that come to mind as similar for me: Kirito/Kazuto from SAO, Syaoran from Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle (mostly), and (in a very broken way) Shirou from Fate/Stay Night.

Really looking forward to seeing Nezuko finally get some more development this arc too!

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Lol, somehow I decided to respond simultaneously in your thread.

Omg is that the same Syaoran from Card Captor Sakura? I think I distantly remember that CLAMP somehow universed their characters together. If yes, then I’m VERY interested, I LOVED CCS

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すごい偶然ですよ！ 笑

Yes and no. Basically Tsubasa takes the chars from CCS and uses aged up, more mature versions of them. There’s no direct continuity with CCS, but they are the same essential characters in an alternate universe, with similar relationships, in (multiple) different settings. It’s still collecting things (feathers/Sakura’s memories) and still involves the Clow stuff (but differently). It has a more serious and darker tone (tho plenty of humor and peaceful, cute, wholesome moments). Also has some character & plot overlap with xxxHolic, which is more of a “mystery of the week” sorta series that ran concurrently.

I only watched CCS cuz I wanted to get to know the characters/origins more. They’re mostly independent of each other, but there’s occasional fun throwbacks. Anyway it’s one of my favorites!

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In today’s episode of doing anything-but-studying, I wanted to write a bit about how I currently divided my studying, yay!

SRS

I log all my terms into Renshuu, which I absolutely love and will recommend to anyone who will hear about it. It’s a lovely all-in-one app for vocab, kanji and grammar, all items are crosslinked, you can make custom decks, and the community is also very nice and friendly.

I love making vocab lists, so whenever I feel like studying-but-not-actually-studying I often start transcribing a list. I made lists for almost all my textbooks that weren’t already on Renshuu.

Current streak: 160 days :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

My schedules are currently setup like this:

Vocab
  • (with JPN ↔ Meaning vector, Sentence Questions on)
    • N3 words
    • Core2K/Kaishi 1.5K words
    • Ace Attorney words (that’s a long time project, currently learning the vocab for Case 2)
    • Book Clubs (from here, what I’m currently reading and Renshuu’s book club)
    • 単語 (merged schedule with anything I ever learned)
  • (with Kanji → Kana vector)
    • Vocab readings (selected words where I forget how they are pronounced, usually rare readings)
Kanji
  • (with Meaning, Onyomi and Kunyomi vector)
    • Kaishi Kanji (to accompany the vocab)
    • 漢字 (merged schedule with anything I ever learned, also random kanji finds in the wild go here)
  • (with Writing vector)
    • 漢字 (N5-N4 kanji to practice writing)
Grammar
  • (with Multiple Choice and Sentence Jumble questions)
    • 文法 (merged schedule with anything I ever learned)

I think it takes me about 30-60 minutes a day. Currently I have about 300 reviews total per day. I do most of them before I start work, and then some in my break and after I get off.
I’m trying to add 5-10 new words in each uncompleted schedule, about 15-20 total per day. Though currently I’m taking it slower again until the reviews go down a bit.

Textbooks and Grammar

Textbooks

  • Genki: Working my way through Vol. 2 to re-inforce grammar and practice writing. I’ve been with Genki for a long time – I like its structure but it would really be nicer with a study buddy for the partner exercises.
  • Sou Matome N4: Using this as a checkpoint marker to see which points I should practice more.
  • Nihongo Challenge N5-N4: Using this to practice Kanji writing (why is production so hard?).
  • I’ll probably start with Shin Kanzen N3 Grammar soon, grammar is still the thing that I feel like having the least control over in terms of my abilities.

Grammar Resources

  • Japanese The Manga Way: Not really using this as a lookup but more a bedside read to review a few grammar points with examples. I really like the way it’s informally written and the examples are super helpful.
  • A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar: I like it, I think it’s a valuable resource, but sometimes it’s written in a way that I read an explanation 3 times and still don’t get it. The example sentences though are excellent.
  • Google anything else, or paste it into ChatGPT and then keep arguing with it why it tells me contradicting things sigh.
Reading

I basically rotate between 3-5 books (mostly manga), whatever I feel most like reading at the moment. When I have to travel to the city (live in a metropol region, I usually take my kindle to read my novel). Recently it’s been busy and I’ve been so tired, but otherwise I try to read at least an hour a day (better than nothing, I guess?)

I read everything digitally, kindle or tablet. I buy from Amazon JP because I’m lazy and have never figured Bookwalker out. The dictionary function for Kindle app is meh, but I managed to import JMdict on my Kindle at least.

I do like physical books, but I’m - not very tidy, so having books always turns into a mess (my nightstand table is already cluttered with the books above). I saw some people are avid (text)book collectors, I guess I would be the same way, but I had to move often in the last years and I just can’t deal anymore with moving tons of books around.

As to what I productively did for learning, I agreed/decided now that N3 is probably better to aim for in December. Took this as an excuse to buy new textbooks :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

After finishing Genki, I should think what textbook I want to follow next, Quartet would be obvious since I liked Genki but probably I’m going with Tobira due to cost (Quartet would be 4 books, ie. 2 textbooks + 2 workbooks), Tobira only 2 (1 textbook plus 1 grammar workbook, I don’t think I need the kanji workbook).

I also started watching はじめてのおつかい S1 | L20, this time in Japanese. It’s super easy to understand and the kids are adorable. I loved the kid in the 2nd episode, her struggle was so real lol. I think it’s a great series to watch for beginners, since it doesn’t really have a plot, and the narrator is describing exactly what is shown on the screen.

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It’s been a while, nothing great to report since I’ve been taking it a bit slow due to work being a major PITA.
I’ve suddenly had to take on a few automation tasks (you could call it language practice since I’ve had to use my scarce knowledge of python) and it’s been draining all my life energy. It wouldn’t be that bad as I like Python and to use it for something project-related is fun, but I’ve learned Python from scratch on the job in the past year, and to expect that my beginner barely made it out of tutorials level code should be used for production is honestly terrifying (and isn’t in my job description, I’m not a dev!).

So that’s why I haven’t really had time or motivation for immersion. I did, though, diligently done my textbooks review and exercises. I really like the Shin Kanzen Master structure for review, there’s lots of exercises that are better at drilling down the chapter contents than Sou-Matome which barely has any exercises. I’m doing one lesson per day for Sou-Matome N4 and started with 2 pages per day with Shin Kanzen N3 (Vocab).

I’m also continuing with my Spanish course, last week we introduced indefinite pronouns (algo/todo/nada, alguno/a/s ninguno/a, alguien/nadie) and I must say that our textbook is really bad. It barely has any explanations and then 3 sentences for practice and 1 exercise in the back. I’m missing the kind of drill exercises to get a feeling for the grammar structure. I joined the A2 course having done it a long time ago and having forgotten lots of vocab, and while my reading and listening comprehension is great, the sort of sense/feeling/intuition for the language is hard to get back.

To report something completely unrelated, we visited a bat sanctuary and it was pretty cool. The sanctuary people reversed the day cycle for them so visitors can watch them being active (in the dark with infrared lights). They were super cute and active, flying around and munching fruits. And apparently they’re the only mammals reproducing non-copulatively (there was more weirdly fascinating facts about that but it might get NSFW-ish). Learn something new every day huh.

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If you need help with Python, feel free to DM me. I have a lot of experience with it, and would be happy to help :slight_smile:

Bat sanctuary sounds cool!!

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Didn’t know I’d be googling bat reproduction today but here we are

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How do you guys deal with fatigue? I think I’ve been tired my entire life, I never feel rested unless I sleep 8-10hrs and since I’m an early riser that means I need to go to bed at like 10pm.

Yesterday I got off work, went grocery shopping, and fell asleep immediately afterwards, woke up at 11pm (and couldn’t fall asleep again, yay body!)

I try to read but active studying already takes up around an hour or more (doing textbooks and vocab study), and then afterwards reading just feels exhausting. I don’t want to cut on grammar practice, I feel like it’s giving good results so I want to keep going there.

Maybe I should read some books in my native language to read just for pure enjoyment, no strings attached. Recently I got a nice book from a flea market, it’s an illustrated German version of Stephen King’s Cycle of the Werwolf.

I also started the May Challenge with the Down Dog Yoga app, to get some stretches from sitting all day at the desk, maybe do meditation on the days where I’m lazy.

I just wonder sometimes how other people live because working, cooking, grocery shopping, studying, a hobby once in a week to see some real peoples’ faces once in a while, it’s taking up all my time and energy. And I have to do something for my health, and there’s friends, and I don’t even have kids…

I know this is not a unique problem but still… There’s this part in me that just want to lay in bed all day and just sleep or daydream…

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I am basically the exact same and feel my best when I get 9-10 hrs of sleep. I used to just wake up early and do all my studying in the morning hours during the week and it helped me get around that and be productive, even though I’d be tired in the evenings. However, I had some bloodwork done a while back and discovered I was very anemic, which was contributing to my fatigue and lack of stamina. Once I got my iron levels back up and everything sorted out, I had way more energy throughout the entire day. Maybe something worth checking if you haven’t already? :thinking: (There can be many causes including just a general busy lifestyle, but still!)

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I should definitely do a checkup, I take vitamins from time to time, and I know for sure that my vitamin D levels are suboptimal… Just hate going to the doc :sob:

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Same here so I really feel you :sob: but it was a relief to find out about and take care of for me. Plus it’s good to know what’s going on with your health in general. Especially when your hobby needs some brain power and energy. :brain:

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I feel the same. I also prefer at minimum 8 hours of sleep (and woe be to me if they’re not particularly restful), and my job is not particularly intellectually rewarding, so I end up having to seek that sense of fulfillment in the leftover hours of the day.

It’s a problem I’ve wrestled with for some years now, and while I still haven’t found The Solution, I’ve been trying some new stuff this year, specifically changing up my daily schedule (as much as I can) each month. Putting a priority/focus on something different each month, then seeing how well I stuck with it, whether I liked it or not, etc. sometimes it goes great, sometimes I get sidetracked halfway through and it feels like I never started. I’ll jot down my thoughts at the end of each month, what I liked, if I want to carry any habit over, and then try again, this time with something I couldn’t/didn’t focus on the last month.

So all’s that to say, maybe changing your daily would be refreshing and be able to give you perspective?

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How does that look for you? I mean, what sort of habits?

New things generally work well for me, though I’m not particularly analytical about them, maybe that would help.

Regarding shaking things up, I do suspect I have ADHD, though I think I could never get diagnosed since I never had issues with grades, which seems so be a major KO for the diagnosis if you weren’t struggling with school as a kid.

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