Product Updates & Casual Natively Discussion

So, upon further review, I actually discovered that my process for pre-emptive syncing ongoing seasons with TMDB process was erroring out (which I was ignoring :sweat_smile:). It’s been happening for the last 3 months too…

Basically, only some of them were being preemptively updated but once the series encountered one bad series, it broke the whole process. Manual syncing would fix the issue, so that’s why you may have needed to hit the ‘manual’ sync button more often than usual.

It’s a bit confusing though, as TMDB lists future episodes and conversion from future episodes → aired episodes on Natively is a separate process. So this bug with syncing wasn’t as impactful as it might’ve been, as every sync usually pulls in future episodes too.

Regardless, it’s now fixed and made more resilient… :slight_smile:

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Are the airing times converted to NY time or they are just miss-matched? That would explain why I can watch shows and not mark them as aired for quite a few hours.

To be honest, I’d just allow to mark it as aired at 00:00JST and don’t bother about the specific hour.

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You’re right - I could just run that process to convert unaired → aired at that time, that’d be easiest :thinking:

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For future reference, since this has happened before, just not since I started using Natively—

Are you able to set subtitles per episode, or only per season? Say I’m watching a show on Viki and I see it’s got JP subs, but I don’t realize it’s only for the first few eps and after that I gotta either switch to EN or turn them off. Am I able to log say ep 1-3 as JP subs and 4-6 as no subs?

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I think it’s only per season, right? Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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AFAIK there’s only per season, if not I assume it would be something you could change in the data manager but you can’t.

Looking at the exporting CSVs, I don’t see it anywhere. So I don’t know whether this is internally saved per episode or per season in the database. That would be a question for @brandon with probably the added request to include the subtitles status in the CSV export?

If you want, I can edit Add custom tags, custom lists to CSV dump information PR to include that for a possible future update.

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So that means currently my only options would be to either lie or not log the show at all? (Or start over from the beginning so all eps match, but there are very few shows I’d want to rewatch so soon, the one I remember this happening with not being one of them.)

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You could use a custom tag or an internal note to record what you watched in what, although this is not ideal.

Other than that, you have to do a Product Request in the forums to get it approved/implemented by @brandon

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yes as @Megumin says, a Product Request would be the way to go.

TBH my thought would be that’s a very rare situation (I personally have never encountered it). I’ve always looked for the subtitles if i’ve wanted them. And I try not to introduce complication into the product without good reason.

However, a product request would indeed tell us if it’s more common :slight_smile:

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It happens to me sometimes, but indeed I’m not sure how common is.
Is not because I’m actively looking for subs/no-subs for that specific episode, but sometimes finding a version with subs for example is harder than just a plain raw/soft-sub.

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It’s something that’s happened to me several times. Viki, for example, often only has Korean subs for the first couple episodes. So in those cases I start watching with KOR subs, and continue with no subs.

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I’ve encountered it a few times - particularly with older anime, they’re not always consistently available from a single source, and sometimes subs just don’t exist (eg .hack//sign with JP subs).

More importantly I sometimes decide midway through a series that “actually, I’m up for the challenge of doing this with no subs”, and switch like 3-5 episodes in, or vice versa.

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I wish I had tracked all the shows I found recently like this. The only one that I can think of that I stuck with is Naruto. Japanese Netflix has jpn subs for the first 1-3 eps and then none after.

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I would +1 this (and its converse) for a reason in a product request. Especially if we had rewatch capabilities and you could see that you watched with subs last time and raw this time that would be neat.

Since difficulty ratings don’t really take into account how you watched it, I don’t feel that strongly about how I log series despite having strong feelings about how I log everything else :joy:

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Difficulty rating does kinda take that into account, iirc. Pretty sure grading only ever has me compare the same type (subs to subs, audio only to audio only)

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Ah yeah, that is a good point. I guess I mean the overall grade doesn’t take it into account, but it does matter for your comparisons.

I went and made a product request for the individual episodes subs vs audio tracking, and incorporated the comments here. (hope that’s alright)

Personally I don’t have super strong feelings about it, so feel free to chime in there, if you do!

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But this only takes into account how you yourself watch something. The rating of other people might be based on audio only for something that you watched with subs.

The result might be some rating fight between people watching with and without subs, or a mixed rating, depending on LN‘s rating algorithm.

That seems a bit hyperbolic to me.

The way I understand it, it balances out regardless bc nobody is rating difficulty level in the first place. We’re grading (comparing) relative difficulty, which the fancy algorithm then compiles (along with other data?) into a rating. I’m not sure there’s a meaningful difference btwn eg “subbed SAO vs subbed Fate/Zero” and “audio only SAO vs audio only Fate/Zero”; and certainly not between “subbed SAO vs subbed K-ON” and “audio only SAO vs audio only K-ON”.

In any case, I’m gonna bow out of further discussion on this, bc I don’t really care about the finer points of the grading system. Feel free to continue without me.

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Minor bug report, i rated a book when it had a temporary image (amazon’s ‘no image available’, must have gotten injested at that stage) and reported it to be image updated (sync doesn’t seem to do this automatically). The book got updated after I had completed and logged it, so the images on those past activities don’t seem to have updated in line with the book.

Book: https://learnnatively.com/book/c292d9257b/

Activities:

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