Product Updates & Casual Natively Discussion

Still working, will try to release today or tomorrow, but may be Monday. So close :slight_smile:

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I don’t suppose there’s any support for an author writing under different names on Natively, is there? Beyond having a note on each book page.

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hmm, we could list multiple authors? I’m not sure. What’s the example?

Also, still crossing my i’s and dotting my t’s for movies. Unfortunately i didn’t have much time to work on it last weekend. It’ll come within the next few days though, i’m sure :slight_smile:

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The one that prompted the question is 富樫ゆいか - 松岡なつき. The former is, I believe, the latter’s pen name when they were first getting published.

By the way, how are you planning to handle initial / temporary ratings for shows/movies? It’s not like reading where you have different categories like manga and novels to help sort things out.

You mean what the estimated difficulty will be if you request an audiovisual item with the estimated level as blank?

Yes you’re right that we don’t have any categories currently to help us out, outside TV vs Movie. Right now i’m just defaulting to lvl 30 to see how it goes. All the items requested in the seeding database thread will be treated as non-temporary ratings to start off. I may also choose to have all new requests also be non-temporary, we’ll see. I just want as many comparisons as possible in the beginning and I don’t want someone with all temporary rated items in their library to not be able to grade.

For the first month or two it’ll be a bit of a bumpy ride wrt difficulty. I’m intending to do a full recalculation/reanalysis after a month to see where we stand.

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I also suspect that getting at least some better broad buckets for the items (Anime/Action/Romance… etc) may be pretty critical. TMDB, the database i’m using, does have a lot of genre tags I can use, just have to figure out the best way to use them. That may eventually impact the default rating.

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Yeah. I always request something to be added before I’ve read it, so I always leave it blank since I have no way of knowing the difficulty ahead of time. It would be the same for watching.

That makes a lot of sense and is certainly better than nothing. I wonder how it would go since even things like sci-fi and fantasy range from really easy to really hard. Might end up with a complex hierarchy of which genres more accurately reflect the difficulty on average. :laughing:

I assume we’ll still be able to grade them to give more granular comparisons?

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Of course :slight_smile:

Well, TMDB doesn’t have a complex hierarchy, it just has flat genre tags, but obviously things can be tagged to more than one genre tag. We could eventually build out some sort of hierarchy, but my gut is that more than a 2 or 3 level hierarchy gets too complicated to be practical. I’m inclined to a simple flat genre tagging system with a few genre tags.

I wouldn’t spend that much time constructing a complex hierarchy of genres explicitly for the default level estimate haha. So if some categories have a wide range, just set it at lvl 30 and let grading decide. It’s not that big of deal :slight_smile:

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I was just checking my stats and I realized I passed the 1000 unique book mark!

As a small comment, I would change “Books read” to “Unique Books” to match the other two; it makes sense since rereads are not handled… and I think it would be nice to know EVEN once the rereads are implemented. (It sounds kinda silly to create a whole feature request for that, so I’m just putting it here).

Now, if I could just find 3 new series to read :thinking: And 15 new authors, I guess.

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First off, congrats on the 1000 unique book mark, that’s so freaking amazing!! :partying_face:

I’m not quite sure I follow why we should change to Unique Books though. Since we don’t allow rereads as you pointed out, every book you marked ‘Finished’ on the platform is a unique book. So right now, Books Read = Unique Books. I could see that ‘Unique Books’ might make sense when we allow rereads yes, but as it is, ‘Books Read’ is simpler and matches ‘Pages Read’ and I think it is intuitive.

If we said ‘Unique Books’, I think that implies that ‘Books Read’ might not be unique, which is more confusing in my mind. You only put an adjective like ‘Unique’ if it’s needed. Or at least, I think it’s more clear not to include ‘Unique’ for that reason.

Happy to hear more thoughts on this if people disagree! :slight_smile:

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Well, yes, but it’s technically not true :sweat_smile: I have read more books due to rereads. Since rereads are not implemented, I thought it was less confusing for a casual user that way.
(I don’t really know what to do about “page read” though, which is why I didn’t mention it)

I guess it would also be possible to add a small circled question mark next to “Books Read” explaining the situation instead.

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Personally, I’d rather suggest the opposite and remove “unique” from authors/series. It seems quite clear to me that if you read 10 books by an author that stats are not going to show that you read “10 authors”.

PS: Congrats to 1000+ unique books, @Naphthalene! I can only dream of reaching this moment for now! :laughing:

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By “hierarchy” I meant more like a weighting system. e.g. slice of life has a weight of 60% but sci-fi has a weight of 20% in terms of accurately predicting difficulty.

I agree that it will probably work out most of the time. I just know that occasionally with books we see instances of the difficulty rating being so wildly inaccurate that it’s impossible to get it back to the right rating.

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Will TV/movies allow for a wider range of comparisons initially, or will it still only be 5 levels like for books? Since TV/movies lacks the subcategories to give closer initial guesses I thought a wider comparison range might be allowed.

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I thought about increasing the level range too… but more just from the aspect of wanting to increase the number of comparisons. You’re right too that the temporary system won’t be active starting out so where things start will make a difference (albeit, for the first month or so).

I think i’ll launch with just the 5 level limit for now. That’s a quick followup tweak if we want later, just a lot of other things to worry about now.

As a general update, I continue to just discover little things unfortunately, but hopefully release very soon. There’s no major things left to implement, just tweaking right now.

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Oh, also before I forget. I did edit my original post with additional shows a few times, so it’s possible you missed those while building out the library.

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Passing thought, but wonder if it would be possible to crosslink manga and light novels (and other forms). I know they’re different difficulty levels so it makes sense to seperate them, but I also kind feel like they should be grouped together a little bit… (I know you can just find them by the search function, ofc)

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Yeah for sure. I like the way anilist does their ‘relations’ and I would love to do something like that at some point. Not sure if there’s a product request in for that yet, but if not feel free to log it! :slightly_smiling_face:

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There’s not one yet for that. So feel free to submit it.

I always end up wondering about the difficulty part when I see things like the 盾の勇者の成り上がり 1 | L31 novel being L30 and the 盾の勇者の成り上がり 1 | L33 manga being L33, but I suppose unless the user base increases by a lot grading accuracy will just stay a bit hit and miss for less popular things… :see_no_evil:

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