Tags, Tags, Tags [Official Management]

I tend to think of it as “something so unlikely to be tagged as to be not worth searching for, given the size of the user base” – if you’re a fan of tohoku-ben but searching for the tag brings up three books all of which you tagged yourself, that wasn’t all that helpful. I don’t feel terribly strongly about this, though.

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Yeah, but if a second fan of tohoku-ben also searches, they’ll find three books that they might not have known before. Also, when the tag exists, the chance of future books being tagged is much higher, which is nice for that first tohoku-ben fan who tagged those three books.

And… what’s the downside of having a relevant but seldomly used tag?

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With the current UI, every tag that exists makes adding tags that little bit less appealing, because it increases the length of the list you have to scroll through four visible items at a time to find tags relevant to this book.

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Ah, if that’s how you add tags - yeah, fair enough. For me, it’s already far, far too long to scroll, and I add tags by entering the first letters of the tag I want to add.

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That only works if you already know in advance what tags you want to add, though :slight_smile:

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I mean, yeah, but the scrolling-and-adding process already feels broken as is, with more tags not making it noticably worse. You even close the UI every time you add something, and then you have to scroll again to where you left off. If that’s a use case Brandon thinks is important I assume he’ll add a better UI.

If it was up to me, I’d probably want something like a full-screen popup which shows all tags sorted by how often they were used instead of alphabetically, displaying as many at a time as the screen can hold, and you can add tags by toggling them without leaving that UI. That way, having more relevant but seldomly used tags isn’t really a problem.

Also, sooner or later, we’ll probably get tag categories, and tags like accents will be part of a much smaller group called “Language” or so.

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Just wanting to second having more/less obscure dialect tags! I’d love to add works that feature our local dialect. I can ask around too since many of my coworkers are native to the area.

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Updates:

  • I’ve implemented some more admin tools for our tag moderators
  • You can now only create content tags. If you think something should be a top level genre, you can send a message here. Do note that you can still tag items with genres, you just can’t create new tags.

Next steps:

  1. Add tags widget on series pages
  2. Add tags to Movies & TV
  3. Add tag filter to search
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Genre list is now identical with Content list and a union of the previously separated genre and content lists. Is that intentional?

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Yes, search is now a search of all tags. My thinking was that it drops the requirement of users needing to know which type a tag is.

However, I do know that makes browseability even worse than before.

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Definitely handy being able to glance at a list on the side and just being like ‘psychological horror? I’m outta here’

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Bug report @brandon: selecting the search icon on mobile drops down behind the quick navigation bar on a series page:

Also, is there no more feedback button on the series page? I can’t find it anymore on mobile.

Edit: another mobile UI bug:

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There is an interesting phenomenon, when a tag has been applied to a book and the same tag then gets applied to the series:

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(picture spoilered because tags are spoilerd)

book: https://learnnatively.com/book/e85b4bd246/

Suddenly you have double the tags. :upside_down_face:

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Yes, I imagined this… we will have to deal with it, not entirely sure how :slight_smile:

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SMALL UPDATE:

  • Tag filters is now available for book & video search!
  • I’ve removed the ‘genre’ filter for video
  • Book tag values are still being input into search, will take a day to completely fill out. Popular items should be relatively filled out.
  • Movie & TV should be filled out

COMING TODAY

  • Tag Filters for personal user library
  • Bucketing ‘genre’ first in tag dropdown, like AniList shown below:

Screen Shot 2023-11-10 at 1.41.08 PM

After those items are finished, I will mostly be treating tags as ‘done’, outside anything admins need. Perhaps something to address the bug @Biblio mentioned

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I saw the dark screenshot before reading the post for context and was like “full dark theme support next”? :joy:

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Random question: how should I add tags to a collection of short stories? When adding a tag that only applies to one story, I set it to “minor”, and “major” if it applies to all, but then I thought of a tag that is minor for multiple stories and I’m like :upside_down_face: … moderate? Also minor??

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I think the fact that it’s a collection of short stories doesn’t actually change anything. It’s an identical situation to a novel only having a tag element for one chapter vs many chapters :slight_smile:

But what constitutes a ‘major’ / ‘minor’ / ‘moderate’ element is certainly a worthwhile discussion. For reference, search right now only shows items with >50% unless you check the ‘include minor elements’ checkbox. That behavior can be changed and probably should be lower…

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Right, that’s my problem here. The collection has only minor elements in that case, since all stories were very different from each other (the only theme of the collection is that it’s a bunch of random works of the other not published in book form otherwise). The major element of one story doesn’t appear anywhere else, that makes it “minor” in terms of total page count. But then that collection won’t appear in any vanilla tag search :joy:

Maybe I should just bump down one level for everything instead (major → moderate; moderate → minor; minor → not relevant)

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I think that’s right then. I’d be a bit bummed if I started reading something hoping for Fantasy and I only get it on one story. :slight_smile:

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