Description of your request or bug report:
- Community tagged & editable
- Similar to Anilist Tagging System
- Adult content Tagging?
Description of your request or bug report:
Should there be a separate request for genres and tags? Genres are usually pretty fixed (e.g. sci-fi, fantasy, slice of life) whereas tags can pretty much be anything. Right now the title of this topic mentions “genre tags” but the body of the topic just mentions tags in general and not genres.
That would make sense to me. Since genres tend to be more fixed, those feel like they should be easier to scrape if we can find a decent website for it. Tags I would expect to have some sort of grading system integrated in them, so more voted on/submitted tags are more prominent, as well as potentially a review process before they’re formally added to a book; that sounds like it would end up being differently implemented from the genre labels in the long run.
I feel like finding out the genre of Japanese books is oddly difficult without knowing the author or reading the description. It seems like the majority are just chucked into a 文芸・小説 bucket
Wikipedia has this information a lot of the time, though it’s kind of all over the place in terms of how useful the information is.
For popular books/series perhaps, but I suspect it to be pretty limited. I just searched a title by a popular author (夜警 by 赤川次郎) and it doesn’t seem to have an entry. If one went entirely by author it’d be bucketed as “crime” but that novel is actually “supernatural suspense”.
I’m personally inclined to just have the users tag the genre like anything else.
This is a wonderful system suggestion, that will make searching much easier and allow for people to have a better idea about books they are interested in.
I also think having it be restricted to 2 types of tags:
Would make the most sense.
Since it seems people are concerned about spoilers, having general tags that are restricted to genre only related topics (maybe a predetermined list of genres to pick from), or trigger only related topics (basic trigger lists are pretty easy to find so having options from those wouldn’t be hard) it would solve that problem.
So these are bucketed together because I figured they would both be community editable / voted on… I’ve even thought about having the ‘genre’ simply be a content tag which gets special handling in filters (i.e. when filtering genre content tags are easily viewable) and display (maybe for short blurbs on the book it would get the genre tags, if they aren’t spoilers).
Regardless, did think they would be done together. I don’t think I’d implement genres separately before content tags.
We could certainly have a list of tags deemed ‘triggers’ if we can agree on them.
However, the UI will be similar to AniLists. So I wont be breaking into separate sections, but may surface an icon on the tag.
Keep in mind that genres are usually pretty binary. Either something is sci-fi or it’s not. It’s comedy or it’s not. Also, most books/series tend to only have a few genres, making them easy to view and highly valuable. But tags can be pretty much anything and are much more subjective, which is why AniList has a voting system where users can specify how prominent the tag is to the series, impacting the percentage for that tag. And then when searching by tag on AniList, users can specify the minimum percentage before they want to include something in the search results, because honestly there’s a lot of noise at the lower percentages (I believe a new tag is only set to 20%, so unpopular series tend to have only a few tags, and at low percentages). Just to give an example of a very unpopular series, this is Sora Communication:
They are all at 20% (the default), but having read the first volume I can say that all of those things are absolutely valid tags and should ideally have high percentages. Of course, I could go and add an unrelated tag and it would probably stay there at 20% as well, meaning these 20% tags can’t really be trusted. On the other hand, a popular series with tags at 20% would indicate that those tags are likely wrong and should be ignored by users. I’ve had a very mixed experience with tags on AniList because of that, but I’ve never had an issue with genres since they are just included or not included for a series.
Not saying you shouldn’t do both. I think they both certainly have value. It’s just that one comes with a lot of complexity and the other seems straightforward to me.
It’s just i’m not entirely sure how to implement genres without tags. It has to be community editable. I could have all users be able to change them, or have some sort of trust level. It may be easier after I tackle the ‘community editable’ feature around descriptions… but using the content tags is an elegant solution imo.
Maybe follow a similar upvote system, but only surface a genre when it reaches a certain threshold of upvotes / percentage?
Basically I just mean that I’d find it weird if “sci-fi” (genre) was the same importance as “space” (tag) or if “slice of life” (genre) was the same importance as “cafés” (tag). The genres can still be community sourced, but should just be listed or not (no percentage, e.g. “60% sci-fi” would be really weird) and should be placed in a more prominent place than tags.
I’m not sure if this will be helpful, but StoryGraph when browsing shows genre tags (which are green) and then the top few tags about the mood and pacing (which are pink). After going to the book’s page you can see more of the tags. Genre tags users can choose from a set list, but i don’t remember what about the mood and pacing tags, if there was a set list or you could make a new one.
Everyone who reviews the book can choose whichever mood and pacing tags they think applies to the book and the percentage gets adjusted. There are also questions about character and plot development, but I don’t think we need them.
Mood tags inside the book page:
Mood and pacing from a different book to show how lengthy it can get:
Ooooh different colors for different types of tags looks fancy.