Improved book series page

Description of your request or bug report:

  • Allow series reviews
  • Showcase aggregate information on series (number of users reading, activity?, reviews?)

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Alongside this, I think that a description/summary for the series itself would be nice. For example, Yotsuba can be described as a slice-of-life series that follows a 4-year-old girl learning about the world around her. That way, each book of an individual series doesn’t need to have a description/summary.

I think it would also be nice to be able to view stats for a series (e.g. reading time graph for entire series, total page count, percentage read across series).

I think it would be useful to be able to mark an entire series as read with a single button, rather than needing to do so for each individual volume.

I think I mentioned that to Brandon at some point, but I’m not so sure it made it to the new trello system.

@Brandon, is it okay to add this as a checklist bullet point on this one instead of splitting into another different one?

@brandon More improvements to be added to the series page, if approved as well as a terrible mock-up.

It was already requested to showcase aggregate information, but I think it would also be useful per book, as not everyone writes a review or leaves a rating. This would give you an idea of how much has everyone progressed and the number of people that read the way to the last volumes.

I also made the div displaying the book art taller instead of an square, this should be a relatively easy fix, I could even get this around with greasemonkey, but I’d rather it be live on the website on all my devices, unless there’s a reason for them to be square in the first place?

Display the horror

Off topic, but wait, why is there no WK marker past volume 6? As the person currently in charge of that book club, I can say with confidence that we went all the way to the last published volume :joy:
Sending a feedback now :stuck_out_tongue:

Hmm, I agree with the idea of surfacing how popular the volumes are, just not sure where the best place for that information to live is. I may not elect to put it on the book cards like you have them as those cards are already overloaded with configurations as is.

Regardless, I like your idea though and I approve at least putting your mockup in the trello card.

Thanks for your mockup as always!! :laughing:

There’s also the cover not being displayed fully in that page, which should be a quick fix in CSS.

It’d be nice if users could mark reviews as applying to multiple entries in a series, rather than just one. It’s hard to say for sure, but I think most people currently treat manga reviews this way. The clarity would be useful for reviews where the wording is ambiguous.

And for users who individually review each entry, a more convenient way to see all of a given user’s reviews for a series would be nice. Maybe arrows on the left and right edge of a review for previous/next review, and clicking them just replaces the element.

In addition or instead of all that, Natively could take a cue from Steam reviews and automatically show series progress alongside reviews - something like “X volumes read, Y volumes read at review time”.

Merging duplicates

These are good ideas but add a lot of complication, hmm. If possible I like to keep things straightforward. We could probably implement the toggler, not sure.

I like this a lot more I think. Series reviews are always for the whole series but we can surface a user’s progress as clarification.

Since it’s a somewhat unclear feature imo if people have good examples of sites where they handle series reviews & individual reviews well, please let us know! It seems that you’re saying steam does it well?

Steam doesn’t do “series” reviews, but I do like the “X volumes read, Y volumes read at review time” idea. It is a really nice aspect of Steam that you know how many hours the user had in the game when they wrote the review, and volumes read would be a nice variation of that.

If you wanted, you could also block people from writing a series review until they’ve finished at least two volumes. Otherwise it’s really just a volume review being misrepresented as a series review.

Here are my ideas for improving series in general.

On the series page:

  • Allow separate reviews on the series page. These would not be inherited at all from individual volume reviews and must be written specifically for the series (possibly with the restriction mentioned above).
  • This is perhaps obvious/implied, but also allow separate ratings for the series.
  • If there are no series ratings, still show some kind of aggregate volume rating (as the page does today), but make it clear that this rating is aggregated. Perhaps always show this as a secondary rating even if there are series ratings? Not sure on that one.

On user list page:

  • Instead of showing N/A in the review column for collapsed series, do the same as the series page but for the user’s data. If they rated the series, show that. If not, show an aggregate of the volume ratings with some kind of indicator.
  • Right now, the finished column shows the start (optional) and finish dates for the most recently completed volume. This should really show the whole series range.
    • This could probably just be the earliest and latest of any start and end date in the series. In practice it will be the start date (or end date if no start date is set) for the first volume and the end date for the most recent volume the vast majority of the time, but it doesn’t technically have to be.
  • Sorting the list by Most Recent (the default) should show the volumes in a series collapsible section from most to least recent. When sorted by Least Recent it should show from least to most recent. This Least Recent version will mostly work as it does today since most people will read a series in order, but it doesn’t have to be.
    • By the way, this has been a bug for several years. It used to work this way before you overhauled the list page a while back.
    • The cover art shown in the series row should also honor this sorting. When sorted by Most Recent it should show the most recently read (usually latest) volume, not the first volume.

This has been mentionned above, but it really would be nice if we had a total page count on a serie’s page. For short series it’s easy to add up everything, but when series get too long, it becomes, well, not impossible but extremely cumbersome to do by hand.

For example https://learnnatively.com/series/e2e4353081/ has 70 volumes. Granted it is an outlier when it comes to novels, but manga series would benefit from this too!