#️⃣ 6️⃣ NO.6 〔ナンバーシックス〕 volume 2️⃣ - Informal book club

Welcome to the informal book club for NO. 6 〔ナンバーシックス〕 vol 2 book club!

| Vol 1 formal club home thread | Volume 2 (here) | Volume 3

This book club is part of the BL Book Club, spinning off after finishing NO. 6 volume 1 in a formal book club here.

This is an informal book club - there will be no set schedule or any deadlines.
Feel free to jump in whenever you pick up this volume, be it today or in a year from now!

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I was listening to the audiobook and already finished it.

I don’t really have much to say other than that I really wanted to slap Nezumi a few times… I get why he behaves the way he behaves but ffs… :face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

I hope they release the rest on audiobook as well. Keeping fingers crossed for the 20th… :folded_hands:

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I started reading, will add my thought on the chapter later.

I’ve been trying to speedrun through the Shakespeare works mentioned and quoted, safe to say, it wasn’t super fruitful. Went into it thinking ‘oh yeah I had no issues reading Sherlock Holmes and this was decades ago, surely I have improved’. Well no. I think Hamlet was doable (listened to an audiobook), but I have no idea what’s going on in Macbeth. I think I have to dig out some modern translations in German.

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Sweet.

I’m planning on starting this one in May.

I’ll join in then.

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Chapter 1

I kinda like their bickering. Shion is very valid for wanting to know more, like at least like give him a rundown of the basics of that place! I kinda do get Nezumi not wanting to share too much private information just for smalltalking purposes, and I guess we’ll get more backstory to his underlying trauma (so that I won’t be so much annoyed by him anymore).
On the one hand he mocks Shion for not knowing random classics, and is condescending because Shion doesn’t know how it’s going in the brutal world outside No.6 but how should he know if you don’t tell him, it’s not like this would all magically appear in his head a few days after he’s out there.

The dive into garbage water was apparently a very literal depiction of his work philosophy, dive in, find out.

I really liked Shion raising his voice, and you can see how Nezumi’s defences crumbles one by one. Nezumi’s health bar taking visible damage with the 惹かれている and 愛してる :smiling_face:

I found the introduction of the kids a bit too forced plot-wise (like it is a bit too showing off Shion’s innocent kindness), but they’re cute and I think we’ll get to see more of them. A little kindergarten reading circle in their house sounds adorable! (sorry Mr Mouseboy you don’t get a word here).

Shion said Nezumi kicks around when he sleeps so I guess that means they share a bed? That’s so cute regardless of the subtext. One of my favorite tropes regardless if it’s romantic, siblings, family or friends.

Chapter 2

And the saga “Shion can’t catch a break ever” continues…
Poor baby, I guess Nezumi is taking the FAFO too literal. Also he’s cool with Shion being seconds of being beaten/shot to death but the second a gasp woman appears he’s suddenly very present.

Any guesses for MBTI yet? I’m thinking INTP (Ti-Ne-Si) for Shion and ESTP (Se-Ti) or ISFP (Fi-Se) for Nezumi. Shion’s thirst for knowledge sounds very Ti for me, personally. He has rigid values, but is flexible when new information turns up. His way of thinking is often not very practical, so I see a Se blindspot there. Personally I see INTP also as the aloof scholar archetype so that’s why that’s my guess.
Nezumi is pretty much living in the moment (Se) and very protective of his person and has very cut-throat (not budging) morals (Fi).

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This took me so long to get to.

It’s the most poetic book I’m reading-listening to right now.

Vol 2, chapter 1

Oh boy, Nezumi is still so aggressive. It’s jarring a bit to come back after a break to this weird hostility.

Well, obocchama had his sweet good life, but that’s over now so. No need to shove his face into it so much

… Shion using a pickup/flirty line on poor Nezumi is a good (if not intended) come-back.

Yes, Nezumi, he wants to know more about you. Teach him~

Clashing and clashing.

I don’t know. If Shion said he wants to come back to No.6, Nezumi would mock him. He said he doesn’t, and still gets mocked. What do you want from him Nezumi??

「きみに惹かれている」

There Shion goes again.

But Nezumi has learned his lesson with the last rizz (I want to know more about you), so he explains that this one is a heacy and important way to express yourself, meant for the person dear to you.

Shion: ok, then 愛してるって言うのか?

I’m dying. Nezumi, are you also dying there?

So what I’m hearing from Nezumi’s long extended dig at Shion’s past is “I can’t believe you could possibly like me”.

Does Nezumi really, truly, want Shion to learn speech patterns from Hamlet? Is he sure??

Saving a kid (allegedly a kid, allegedly in trouble, not sure if you can even help) vs Avoiding (an alleged) trap: fight.

I can never guess these even approximately :sweat_smile:

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Vol 2, chapter 2

Some people I try to not think about are regularly lying about not having enough food. I wish they could read this chapter for a reality-check. From the reason a kid choked to Nezumi’s valid logic about having many kids and not enough food.

The city is really not fun. Shion almost died there a couple of times but no, Nezumi is not there to help out when Shion is about to get shot. He’s only there after Shion gets his first kiss and is being a bit forced to pay a street girl a visit.

Nezumi… Priorities? Out of those 3 encounters, only the woman deserve your protection?

…I’m not 100% sure how exactly Shion fell there if it included 身体が一回転する after sliding…

Damn what a horrible, what, an hour outside of the house? Yikes.

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Chapter 3-5

I’m too lazy to think properly so these are just random things I remember.

Wow, so many new characters! Inukashi’s job sounds so interesting, cute dogs that also warm and protect you.

Apropos dogs, Nezumi is probably what you’d call a “bunter Hund” (colorful dog) in German. Someone who is known everywhere he goes.

So now we know where he gets his quirky side. The West block is described so dire, it’s unexpected to see that people seem to have time to enjoy the free arts. On the other hand, No.6 seems to have forbidden all expressions of culture. I wonder what people do there to relax, apart from taking a walk in the city park. There seems to be club activities.

We still do not know a lot about No.6 and its origins, but are being drip-fed information. So the world went into the gutter and they made these model cities. Just so the elite can have a nice life? It kinda reminds me of the cities within the walls in Attack on Titan.

Poor Saph! Bless her heart. It’s not easy being a side character in a youth adult novel.

Nezumi didn’t throw the capsule away. I guess that sets the stage for ‘Shion will find out, eventually’.

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Finished vol1 today and immediately bought vol2, such great character writing and (as for most of us, I assume?) is just incredibly nostalgic!

Ch 1

Just adored the entire “you want nothing but plain facts and numbers but humans are more than that” “no, I know real human things about you” (paraphrasing) segment. It’s STEM vs Humanities, in a way, but Shion is more layered than that and has a more rounded view than you might expect. It jumped out at me as just such a fantastic way to write two characters who have very different ways of expressing themselves, but do have really great chemistry. I’m finding the character writing inspiring, I feel like I should be taking notes!

Off to read the vol1 thread comments now~

I do think I should look for a list of all the Shakespeare/other literary references and save it on my phone or something though, as I’m reading on kindle with no wifi so I can’t look them up. Hopefully something like that exists.

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So true!

And yeah, I also love the character writing and just how alive the characters feel.

You’re of course welcome to comment there too if you want! Don’t mind those small details like schedules

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Chapter 3

This was heavy with information.

So No.6 WAS built recently! I knew ittt!
The weird artificial city design makes total sense now. Borders were closed sometime between Karen being in uni and having Shion so what, it got to where it is some ~20 years ago?

The mystery voice telling Shion to destroy everything is apparently his own thoughts be didn’t realize he had until he met Nezumi. /Suspicious. I mean, it could be his subconscious mind, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another interpretation.

We meet Inukashi (easy to remember name now that I know it’s “inu” and “kasu”). Feeding dogs costs money/resources. I’m not 100% sure on the food sources in the West Block yet, but it kinda seems less good of a business than it’s been presented as. Selling info pays more but if you tell me they break even by taking money off the guys who need a place to sleep and a dog to cuddle I wouldn’t be surprised. Lending dogs for warmth is a seasonal job, you still need income and uphold during warm months.

Talking to dogs… ?
Do we mean listening devices after all? Inukashi did get weirded out when Shion talked to mama-doggo and her puppies.

We get a glimpse at 2 scientists that seem to be behind the bees situation (?) and are aware of Shion’s existence, the fact that he survived the bee (??) and that he’s with Shion. Probably it’s the guy from the photo that Nezumi recognized.
Seeing two evil guy planning it for some Higher Goal AND seeing that one of them seems to be using the other one is poetic.

Theater work suits Nezumi and his weird system of values. His pseudoname is Eve.

While typing the above I managed to forget the journalist’s name, but anyway. That’s Karan’s friend from way back, who missed her very much but IS NOT Shion’s father.

Nezumi’s baiting got me used to the idea of a hidden father figure, so I am a bit disappointed but also glad it’s not that easy.

Shion getting angry for Nezumi’s sake in this chapter (rather, Nezumi’s genuine surprise) somehow made me tear up. The difference in experience is really brought up again and again in all these moments where one of them gets mad about something and the other one doesn’t see what’s wrong.

Shion’s having a day and my personal life experience is throwing me from one side to another between Shion and Nezumi. I enjoy very much how it feels like… There are two wolves in me and both of them are angry in different ways, so it’s a bit emotionally taxing to read.

Chapter 4

干し葡萄 - “dried grapes” is way better term than “raisins”!

Karan :sob:
I really like her even though she didn’t do much in vol 1 (and she’s not an “action” character like Nezumi is). Just something about a mother that prioritizes her child and accepts consequences of his actions without ruining her relationship with him speaks to me in a good way.
I liked how she was portrayed here too. How she is with the kids, how the despair turned into hope and stopped the suicide ideation.
How she’s dreading getting the bad news and how she was ready to eat that note (also I thought about the same method of making sure no-one finds it so yay).

Anyhow, this was a strong chapter with a lot of feelings in it.

I didn’t think enough about their fancy satellite search system thing. Doesn’t it mean they can get Nezumi any time?? They do have data on what he looks like.

Safu… A motivated girl with (what she thinks is) nothing to lose is unstoppable.

For a moment there I was trying to imagine their living arrangements. I don’t quite see Nezumi taking her in as well, or the three of them living together.

But well. I’d rather think of that than of what the Public Security is about to do to her. The options range from bad to worse.

Poor Karan saw the kidnapping. If she didn’t, she’d assume Safu went to the West Block and that’s it…

Chapter 5

I still don’t know if I find Nezumi’s constant physical threats hot or alarming lol.
If Shion’s personality was even a tiny bit different, I’d feel closer to “girl, runnnnn”. But Shion is so… Enamoured? Consumed? By Nezumi and uh, has a surprisingly strong sense of self that warning him away doesn’t feel right.

Anyway, about their fight. Well, Nezumi, you see. If you share your reasons and Shion shares his, I bet you could find a middle ground and a No6 destruction both of you could enjoy.

Nezumi’s words are again “you wouldn’t choose me over no.6 and I want to destroy no.6 no matter what, so we will have to fight”, but. Well. It’s not like Shion likes No.6 or even really wants to protect it.

On one hand, Nezumi’s anger towards people who live their lives full of riches and safety that are yapping about things they don’t know online is so tangibly real that I could name a place or two that can burn today and I wouldn’t bat an eye.

On the other hand, from a POV of someone living in a place like that with a lot of misplaced hatred pointed towards it - yeah, maybe let’s destroy things a bit differently, Nezumi? Are you sure Shion’s mama specifically is your enemy?

Nezumi: do you think I can’t kill you???
Shion: yes
Nezumi: I can prove you wrong right now if you want
Also Nezumi 10 minutes later: I can’t bear the thought of Shion dying, that’d so painful for me, just be like being burned alive.

It’s too late for you, Nezumi. I’m sorry. You are so attached.

The migraine didn’t stop me from reading this all, but I’ll go collapse now.

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Partway through ch3. I usually only read on my commute and had last week off but couldn’t stop thinking about this book haha. It has its claws deep inside of me. Each volume being so short is really motivating % of book finished meter-wise too.

Chapter 3

There’s so many little character moments I love, I’m really falling for Shion’s 天然-ness. His rambling about the beauty in Nezumi’s gestures in front of a near-stranger is perfect. Really shows what a freak he is (I say this lovingly).

I also really like this description of Nezumi’s reaction to Shion discovering that he’s an actor and gushing about it after the narration about seeking joy in the arts even in the face of uncertain death: ネズミはため息をつき、少し慌て、すぐに顔を歪めた。It really highlights the outward façade Nezumi (and likely every resident of the West Block) has to put on.

Also, can’t remember the names of the minor kid characters so not sure if I’m reading into it too much, but it feels like there’s something really interesting here about the divide between characters who have kanji names and those who don’t. Obviously Nezumi and Inukashi both get their names from animals, adding to the dehumanisation those of the West Block face, but it was surprising to me that Rikiga’s name has kanji in it (力河), as I thought maybe all of the West Block have kana-only names. It makes sense, though, if a kanji name can be seen as a signifier of the significant amount of privilege he holds within the society of the West Block, given the power he holds over women. What a strange name he has, too. I wonder if it’s supposed to juxtapose Karan(火藍) in a way. And then there’s Eve and Shion, who’s marked with the snake… ohhh Asano-sensei, you know how to tickle my brain just right…

The role gender plays in general is interesting too, but I need to stew on that a bit more (and I want to get back to reading, just desperately needed to yap about how good this is again).

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Didn’t highlight a ton in ch4&5

Chapter 4

I liked Karan comparing her losing Shion’s dad to Safu (eventually) losing Shion to Nezumi. They’re totally different circumstances, but Karan is right, Safu’s entire life shouldn’t revolve around this guy, especially as she has a promising life ahead of her as a brainy elite. I know what happens, but still…

Chapter 5
  • 「ぼくはきみの敵にならない。絶対にならない。何があっても、殺されたとしても、きみの側にいる」「綺麗事だ」「決意だ」ooof. Love the dramatics of the first line, but then love how Shion’s almost flowery & dramatic statement is juxtaposed against Nezumi’s short, blunt phrase, then Shion meets him on his level with that same level of bluntness. Just really tasty.
  • Nezumi saying Shion will be fine if one of Inukashi’s dogs are with him but then still immediately going “I’ll walk you halfway” got me lmao. Fake ass idgaf-er, as the kids say.
  • The entire section from しかし、紫苑が死ねば onwards about 95% through is great. There’s something very visceral about “if Shion dies, something inside of me will change.” The understandable almost-selfishness of “It would probably be excruciatingly painful - not for Shion, but for me, the survivor forced to stand in front of his corpse (paraphrasing)” is also great. The super short sentences, tons of questions, it all did a great job at sucking me into his state of mind.
  • And then it all coming back to Karan telling Safu that women can live on without men with Nezumi asking himself if he could live on without Shion. Super fun and very melodramatic, this chapter flew by.
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Re: chapter 5 - I love reading your thoughts about these chapters; they remind me of why I love the series so much. :heart:

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