Tags, Tags, Tags [Official Management]

Agree with this. JKハルは異世界で娼婦になった | L28 for instance is incredibly sexually explicit, but I would not call it “pornographic” and would not tag it as such.
A “Porn” genre tag could make sense for stuff that’s actually just porn, but that doesn’t replace “Adult Content” as a content tag.

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Can we consider more genres for non fiction? Such as travel guides, cookbooks, etc?

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Wouldn’t that be a content tag instead? But yes, those sound relevant.

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I, too, would put genre as non-fiction and then content travel or cooking etc.
If the content tag is not there, feel free to add it :slight_smile:

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Putting non-fiction as a genre would imply that we’re only allowed 2 genres- fiction and non-fiction, though wouldn’t it? Why does fiction get the honor of diversity?

Because the tags were originally imported from another site that has (almost) no non-fiction and we couldn’t come to a consensus as to what should be a genre and what a content tag, so genre tags were frozen and only content tags can still be added.

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So we won’t change it because we won’t change it and this other site is like this?

Not that natively has to be like the other site.

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Not quite. There were discussion about merging contents and genre tags together (and making everything just “tags”) or adding more genre (the thing you are talking about), but those discussion came to a deadlock and were judged not priority anyway.
So, it’s more in limbo than a firm “won’t change”.

By the way, can you see/use unapproved genre tags (e.g., political and social sciences, humanities, etc)?

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While my initial reaction was also “Isn’t that just content, so it can be tagged as such?”, after thinking a bit I can see the point of having non-fiction genres as genre tags. In fiction it’s nice to get a super quick feel for the type of book by looking at the genre tags, so… why should that only stay limited to fiction?

The only thing I’d be worried about is that the non-fiction genres would be the resulting number of genre tags. With fiction there seems to be a relatively limited number of “top-level” genres - is it the same for non-fiction? Are there non-fiction genre lists that aren’t just “here are the 9 most popular non-fiction genres”?

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I can see them as content tags, but they don’t appear to me as genre tags.

That’s… weird. That could be a bug.
If you add one (just to try) does it goes under genre or contents?
(You can remove it afterwards)

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Yes, I think something mostly based on how libraries and bookstores are set up would probably work nicely. To frankenstein some lists I found,

  • Computer Science
  • Encyclopedias
  • Journalism/News
  • Philosophy
  • Self Help
  • Religion/Spirituality
    * Social Sciences/Politics
  • Business and Economics
  • Science
  • Medicine, Health, & Fitness
  • Popular Science (for psuedoscience or lay people aimed books)
  • Technology/Engineering
  • Architecture
  • DIY
  • Art
  • Crafting
  • Gardening
    * History
  • Geography
  • Travel Guides
    * Biographies
    * Autobiographies/Memoirs
  • Culture
  • Food, Drink, & Cooking (could cover cookbooks)
  • Parenting and Family or Raising (there are a lot of “How to raise a kitten” type books in Japan)
  • Textbooks/Study Aids (these make up such a significant portion of Japanese bookstores)
    * Essay

Humor would fall under comedy I think, which should already exist for fiction
Edit: Crossed out all the existing ones

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You have history twice, by the way.

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My bad, I misremembered from yesterday :thinking: it does go under genre.

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I think non-fiction genre tags would be very helpful.
For instance, there’s currently a “Religion” content tag, but the description of it is written in a way that clearly seems like it’s describing a genre rather than content (“Centers on the belief that humanity is related to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements”). Currently it’s used to tag a bunch of fantasy light novels and manga - I don’t think that’s what someone looking for books on, say, Shinto would be expecting. Same with something like the “History” content tag - “History” as a genre vs “History” as a content tag are two very different things.

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Can you guess my favorite school subject? :crazy_face:

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That’s part of what prompted my question to be honest.

I bought this book 参拝したくなる! 日本の神様と神社の教科書 | L30?? and went to tag it and thought nothing really fit well.

I’ve also been reading a page a day of this one 季節を愉しむ366日 | L30?? and don’t feel like there’s good tags for it either.

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Those are a separate book type here (or two, if you consider graded readers to be a study aid) :thinking:

For info, the genre we currently have (but are not “approved”, not sure what that does):
Biography
Essay
History
Humanities
Music
Political & Social Science

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Ah, I didn’t think to search music. Also, you typed faster than I searched lol.

I thinking lumping humanities together does it a disservice to the point of it not being particularly useful as a genre.

As for study aids, I was kinda thinking of books in the same section as this one マンガでわかる中学国語 古典 (COMIC×STUDY) | L24?? because I’m often checking out the study aid section to see if there are books about various topics aimed at younger readers and therefore have less complex grammar and vocab. Graded readers might fit, but I think spark notes are probably the better English equivalent.

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I read this one:

That makes sense.
We have an internal “in progress” list of potential genre to have if we go that way. I’ll just add those that are missing in there. (It might not do anything in the end, but it’s better than just getting lost)
Edit: that was harder than expected since some proposed genre have overlaps with those :sweat_smile:

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