What are you reading today?

I just finished reading 나를 팔로우 하지 마세요! It was an easy read, with an engaging storyline for a middle grade book. I love the cover!

It follows a middle school girl whose whole life has been posted on Instagram since the day she was born. It explores her attempts to quit social media and the effects of this on her relationships with the people around her, such as her mother and her friends.

I’d recommend it to beginners to reading novels in Korean! The grammar and vocab are pretty simple, the storyline is easy to follow, and the cast of characters is limited.

6 Likes

This is a bit off-topic, but I don’t know if there s better thread: if anyone able to read this? Came across it earlier today in the snow:

3 Likes

It says 친구와 같이 놀고싶다 - “I want to play with my friend” :laughing:

How lonely!

3 Likes

Thank you! Aw, that’s a little sad to hear now. We didn’t see the person who wrote it, but hopefully they’re able to find someone to play a little bit with!

3 Likes

I finished 죽이고 싶은 아이 2! It was an excellent sequel and I highly recommend it to fans of the first book.

죽이고 싶은 아이 was my first novel in Korean, whereas 죽이고 싶은 아이 2 is my 13th. I can definitely feel how much my reading has improved in the past year, as well as how much more I have left to read. This book isn’t impossibly difficult, but it still had me rereading sentences to check my understanding and looking up plenty of new words.

5 Likes

Reviving this thread a bit because it’s always fun to see what everyone’s reading.

I’ve started 나 혼자만 레벨업 | L26, super fun, but I expected that considering I’ve read it before in English. I’d actually spent some time translating the beginning of it sentence by sentence in my first few months of Korean (although I can’t remember if it was with the webnovel or webtoon), I still have the grammar notes from back then, so I learned -는 바람에 before -지만 lol. Nevertheless, I recommend it to anyone who wants to start reading webnovels, it really had a lot of influence on countless webnovels, with the concept of the gates popping up again and again.

It’s funny though because while I’m almost halfway through volume 1, that only amounts to just over 3% of the whole thing. And this isn’t even a particularily long webnovel :sweat_smile:. So definitely a lot more to go, but I’m sure I’ll learn a lot of vocab along the way

4 Likes

Easing back into 한국어 with some 만화! :grinning_face:

I finished 사랑에만 듣는 달콤한 마법 | L16 (BL) which was fine… A cute, easy read, but forgettable.

Making my way through 키츠네와 선생님 02권 | L16 which is ADORABLE! :fox: :heart: But there only seems to be 2 volumes so far? I want more!

Started 새벽의 노래 1 | L24?? which I absolutely love - I’ve read this volume two or three times in English, so it’s another easy read.

Also continuing on with 치즈 스위트 홈 03권 | L8 , one of my favourite series.

I just bought 미소녀 전사 세일러 문 완전판 01권 | L24?? which I’m excited to get started on, too!

8 Likes

Heads up to Korean-learning friends:

5 Likes

Thanks for sharing! (Should probably use this thread more…:sweat_smile:)

I downloaded the app to try it out - TTMIK stuff is always high-quality, and this is no different. It’s similar to Satori Reader for Japanese, as it’s a large selection of graded stories and articles (though it aligns with their own levels rather than TOPIK). When you open the app, you take a placement test so you start at the appropriate level.

Stories are in multiple parts (lower levels have 5-part stories, higher levels have 10-part stories), whereas articles are standalone. Each story/article includes:

  • a short text with accompanying native audio (each sentence highlighted as it is read)
  • comprehension quiz
  • sentence-by-sentence English translations
  • grammar and vocabulary breakdowns for every sentence
  • questions for you to practice writing in korean (although this section has a button with ‘AI beta’, not sure if AI generated the questions or checks your writing)

After you mark a story/article as finished, it’s added to a review playlist where you can read the text and listen to the audio for individual lessons one after another. There’s also a flashcard feature, so you can add words from the lessons to review (presumably this is spaced repetition).

There is one major thing that bugs me, though: although you can easily select different levels to study, you can’t choose whatever lessons you want, you have to work through them in order and mark the current lesson finished before you can proceed to the next. So you can’t skip stories/articles you aren’t interested in, you have to mark them as finished before you can move on; perhaps understandable for a multi-part story, but less so for if you want to skip a whole story and move onto the next one, and not at all useful for articles IMO. I think this could be demotivating for learners, as your options are to force yourself to work through multi-part stories you don’t enjoy, or mark the lessons as finished without doing them (but they’ll still appear in your review playlist).

There are some other minor things: the level selection dropdown is slightly too narrow so you can’t see the level numbers (on my device, at least), and I’m guessing you have to complete every lesson on the current level before your profile reflects that you’ve moved up a level (when you don’t seem to be able to skip, and you might feel ready to move on before finishing all the stories/articles). I also can’t find any pricing info (perhaps because it’s a special event), which makes it difficult to comment on whether it would be worth the cost.

One other thing I noticed is that the amount of content available varies by level: the mid-levels have up to ten 10-part stories (100 lessons) plus perhaps the same number of articles, while both the beginner and advanced levels have much fewer. There’s not much difference in the length of the texts at different levels, either… But perhaps they’re still adding content.

I think this would probably benefit people who are already following TTMIK’s language course since the levels correspond and it gives you more material to consolidate what you’ve learned. If you’re following a different textbook course, the vocab and grammar might not quite align, but it would still be useful if you want extra reading/listening material.

I know this isn’t where the money is, but I really wish they’d make content to bridge the gap between learner and native materials. Their own course goes up to Level 10, which is really only TOPIK 3 (maybe 4 at a push), so you need to migrate to a university textbook anyway if you want more advanced grammar and reading material.

I feel like the existence of Natively helps with finding books that should be manageable at your level, but I still feel like it would be enormously beneficial if there were more high-level graded readers to help ease learners into narrative fiction, as there’s a clear difference from textbook passages which tend to be non-fiction and academic.

TL;DR Good reading practice for beginners to low-intermediate, if you think it’s worth the price.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. :distorted_face:

7 Likes

I was quite literally stuck in this valley for years in Japanese before I found Natively, so I’d agree. It’s kinda crazy that learning materials really only focus on mid-beginner (ask me how I know :rofl:) though low-intermediate and then pat you on the back like, ok kid, you’ve got this from here. Got what? I don’t understand anything outside of a graded reader :dotted_line_face:

5 Likes

Just my opinion, but I imagine it’s primarily due to demand: for any language/skill/hobby, there are a huge number of beginners, but as you look at higher levels, the numbers fall dramatically. Similarly, there’s a huge amount of material for beginners compared to intermediate and advanced, because that’s where the money is. It’s not really worth making advanced materials, because the audience is so small, especially if the specific language/skill/hobby is rather niche itself. And if there are advanced materials, they tend to be very expensive in order to compensate for the lack of potential buyers. :face_exhaling:

Even ignoring that, I think there might also be a view that if you’ve managed to get beyond the beginner or intermediate stage, that you must have the skills and intelligence to be able to continue on your own. The issue with this is, it fails to take into account that the learner got to that level by using the available guidance, so having that help taken away doesn’t magically give you skills you weren’t taught. In language learning, for example, you are given texts and supporting resources, but you aren’t taught how to find your own texts and resources, that’s something you have to develop yourself.

Maybe that’s another thing missing from higher levels: guidance on how to find and select appropriate texts/media for the level you are at, and to make the transition from learner materials to native materials as smooth as possible. Generally learners have to work this out for themselves and/or get advice from other learners, otherwise they’re just stuck.

I noticed that the most popular links on the forum are for where to find free Korean books (1k+ clicks, 300+ clicks). I don’t think that’s a coincidence: it’s easy to find a wealth of advice and information about learning Japanese online, so even though there are 6x as many Japanese learners registered on the forum as Korean learners, the links to Korean materials get hundreds or thousands of clicks compared to links to Japanese materials which rarely get more than 50 clicks.

I’ve probably mentioned (several times) that it’s very difficult to find book recommendations for Korean learners (as in native books, not learning materials). I trawled google, reddit, and other sites way back before Natively existed, and couldn’t find anything. Even now, when interest in Korean has exploded, it’s still difficult to find a simple list of easy novels for language learners if you just use google (the only real relevant result I could find was a Goodreads list, but of course it doesn’t tell you anything about the level). Natively only appears on the second page of results, and it’s just a forum post at that. :cry:

I feel like my train of thought has become slightly derailed, much like this thread… :woozy_face:


Today I’ve been reading BL (what a surprise!):

  • 아틀란티스의 달 - we’ve arrived in Atlantis and we’re getting a dense history lesson with lots of unfamiliar vocab :melting_face:
  • 위층 아이 아빠 - cute and funny, and the easy language makes it a nice change from Atlantis
5 Likes

r/korean is partly to blame for that. While it is the largest Korean learning subreddit by a large margin, the moderation makes it so that posts mentionning any native content, like books for example, are removed. And they really do uphold that very seriously, if you even talk about reading books your post will be auto-blocked, and then all you can do is beg for the good will of one of the mods, which is a long shot

So while it’s easy to find graded readers and such, when it comes to actual books, there’s Natively, Kimchi Reader to some extent but most people won’t go there because it is technically a paid ressource, even though the recs system is available for free, and the Refold Korean discord server has lots of good book recs but you wouldn’t know that before joining.

And searching on the internet, it is indeed disappointing. Lots of posts about graded readers and textbooks but very few I could find that actually have books in Korean meant for natives. And even then, it’s very random, so many of these lists recommend 아몬드, which is a terrible idea for someone who’s reading their first book in Korean, it’s just going to scare them off of reading.


Back to the original topic of the thread though, I’ve just finished 소리를 삼킨 소년 | L25 ! I’d been wanting to read it for a while from seeing everyone read it, and it really seemed interesting, and it did not disappoint. Very interesting perspective, and I really loved the main character.

I also have yet to finish the first volume of 레벨업 닥터 최기석 01권 | L22?? but I’m glad I’ve finally started it! I’ve actually read a few chapters of it in English, but the translation wasn’t continued, there’s less than 10 chapters of it translated iirc. Medical webnovels are always super interesting to read, and this one also has a system, so it’s honestly the best of both worlds. Ah, and don’t be fooled by the low temporary level, I think I messed up when adding it because I meant to put L32. I haven’t gotten fully into the difficult parts of the book, but yeah there’s no way it’s L22.

6 Likes
Off Topic

Do you know why this is?

4 Likes
Discussion around lack of resources

It’s honestly quite shocking to me. But sadly I think that’s relatively close to the norm for most languages… Japanese is the outlier. Spanish is probably the second best when it comes to online community for reading and it’s no where close to Japanese. Frankly, almost all the immersion communities and utilities seem to come from Japanese, it’s wild - ajatt, refold… anki, migaku, natively. The only real exception i’ve found has been the wonderful DreamingSpanish community… but they still mostly focus on youtube videos.

Literally no other languages has comprehensive difficulty rating systems and yet Japanese has about 5 :joy:. KimchiReader is the only non japanese rating system i’ve found.. outside of Natively.

I do think it’s partly tools (which we are fixing!) but you gotta think that Japanese learners must just be more chronically online and reading than other communities :laughing:

Natively is starting to be well known and frequently suggested in the Korean community. It’s by far our second strongest language. I actually think it does ok on google (not great), i’d be curious to know what the search was that you did.

6 Likes

Good news! :smiley: I’m not active in other language-learning communities (I just loot their resources :grinning_cat_with_smiling_eyes:), so I’m coming from the perspective of “if someone were self-studying Korean and wanted to read their first novel, what would they find on google?”

“korean novels for language learners”

“korean books” and “korean books for language learners” turned up results for learner materials, and “korean novels” gave lots of recommendations for English translations.

4 Likes

I’ve started 만화경 사진관 | L22?? which is another work by the author of 이상한 과자 가게 전천당 | L21. This one is a standalone volume, but it’s still similar in its episodic format: people stumble across a mysterious shop with an enigmatic owner, and it changes their life in some way. The difference with this one is that it’s not so much that a wish is granted, but that the people seem to be stuck in their lives, and they receive help with how to bridge this difficult period by bringing together their past and future. I feel like the sentimentally might not resonate with the intended audience the way the unexpected twists of 전천당 do, which would explain why there’s only one volume.

I’ve mentioned before in my language log about 소원을 들어주는 미호네 시리즈 | L24, which is another series similar to 이상한 과자 가게 전천당 | L21, though it’s (very slightly) more difficult. All the books mentioned above have audiobooks available on Storytel, and 히로시마 레이코 has several other series, which I’d guess are around a similar level. Another one I’d like to try is 요괴의 아이를 키우고 있습니다 시리즈 | L15??, which also has several audiobooks released so far.

5 Likes

I’m checking it out now - very different from here, but can definitely see it being useful if I ever stop slacking on Korean

3 Likes
Off topic

I ended up responding on Discord, that would be a bit too sensitive to put on here I think. Others who are curious can DM me,

Huh, interesting, my impression was that it was the other way around, vocab wise it seemed a bit easier? Less topic specific, more broad. Although I can’t say much for the grammar, I didn’t take note of anything since I was listening to the audiobook and I wasn’t going to pause to write down the upper level of the grammar in this book.

Back to what I’ve been reading: a mix of things really. I reread 당신을 기다리고 있어 | L33 but via audiobook this time, and wow, I was definitely missing out the first time, only reading the ebook. I have the second book ready, I might just read the audiobook along to the ebook this time.

I’ve also recently finished 긴키 지방의 어느 장소에 대하여 | L31 which ended up just being fine. I was expecting something scarier so I ended up being a bit disappointed, and I’m not sure I like this format of story. It’s nice to see an author not afraid to experiment though, even if I didn’t end up liking it. A solid three stars, just not my personal style.

Right now I am also trying to finish 시체를 보는 사나이 1부 - 더 비기닝 1. I am honestly tempted to create an “almost DNF’ed” bingo square just to motivate myself to finish this. It’s not bad per se but it is kinda meh, and the language is surprisingly simple too. Which in my case just makes it frustrating because I’m barely mining anything, the only interesting vocab I got was at the start of the book and the author just keeps reusing the same vocab ad nauseum. That does mean it would be a great pick for anyone wanting to read a relatively easy mystery though.

4 Likes

I’m almost finished 꼴찌 마녀 밀드레드 1 | L23 and realising how many things Harry Potter just lifted right out of this book. :exploding_head:

I totally judged a book by its cover and started 카페, 공장 | L30?? because the art was so cute. It’s about a group of teen girls who are shocked when visiting a trendy cafe that the furniture, cups, and decor resemble their own stuff at home rather than being anything fancy, so they decide to start their own cafe in an abandoned warehouse.

I started 마녀의 소녀 1권 | L30?? a few years ago, and I’m returning to it now that my reading method has improved so I’m hoping to make progress with the story. Girl does a creepy ritual and makes a seemingly harmless wish, but things spiral out of control very quickly, to the point where I’m wondering where it can go from here, because there’s already been some extreme events unfold. :face_with_peeking_eye:

5 Likes