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Welcome to Class S (and Related) Club’s reading of 百合オタに百合はご法度です! ? 1 | L24 . Anyone is welcome :slight_smile:

Summaries (JP & EN)

第1巻の内容紹介: 百合オタの私は、尊い関係を見守りたいだけなの…に!? 百合オタ女子・渡辺が女子校で出会ったのは、百合の世界観をぶち壊すオタクの天敵ギャル・吉岡だった――。新感覚★メタ百合・ラブ(?)コメディ‼

[DeepL Translation - needs review] Volume 1 Introduction: I, a yuri otaku, just want to watch over the precious relationship…to? Watanabe, a yuri geek, meets Yoshioka, a gal at an all-girls’ school who is a natural enemy of geeks and destroys their view of the world of yuri… A new sensation *meta yuri love(?) comedy! Comedy ministry

There’s no set schedule. If there’s interest, we’ll read all 3 volumes

Feel free to ask questions, share thoughts, etc, just post chapter or pg numbers, and keep things under [details] or [spoiler] tags, unless they’re general enough that they wouldn’t be a spoiler even for ppl just starting out.

Anyway, looking forward to reading/discussing this with everyone!!

Will you join us, starting Aug 4?
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I was thinking “hey, I read that one”. But actually, I think I might have nominated / mentioned this work on the class s thread, so a bit less of a coincidence :sweat_smile:.

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I can’t quite tell who nominated what there… But if you did, thx :slight_smile:

I guess I should technically check “already read”… But I am gonna reread it for the club

Well it’s Aug 4 now - so we’ve officially started

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Chapter 1

Very fun start. This is my second manga with a main character that happens to be a Yuri otaku, and the meta-jokes are always fun.

I can see how the setting feels very Class-S :slight_smile:

Love how Watanabe thinks Ririka feels “off the picture” and the manga is literally drawn with Ririka in a different art style

Very 王道 indeed!

Yuri da! :drum:

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What’s the first?

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This 4-koma which is also very fun:

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Cool. Added to my Kindle library :slight_smile: Probably won’t get to it anytime soon tho :sweat_smile:

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Ch 1 thoughts

I appreciate seeing authors define yuri. It often feels like such a sanity check, compared to certain discussions with (some) English speaking fans

I can certainly relate to that top panel :joy:

And we’ve got our 疑似姉妹 relationship already.

I love that the name is 推花女学園… Which I can’t help but think is a pun on 押し花 (pressed flower - something that shows up often enough in the pre-war S or 少女小説 stories).

Of course it’s an escalator school

This should make me think of マリみて (that’s where スール is from), but instead I thought of わたゆり (which uses German instead, but is of course lifting from - and twisting - マリみて). The uniforms here are closer to わたゆり - though they’re still distinct from either

Not that kind of 姉妹!love the すれ違い here

Another time honored マリみて derivation

I wonder if we’ll get a タイが曲がってる moment at some later point in the story

Anyway don’t mind me being a マリみてオタ :sweat_smile: Fun first chapter. Looking forward to the rest of the volume

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chp1

Enjoyed the first chapter.Loved this visual joke. The art shifts are pretty fun

Also really liked this panel

Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean that in english-speaking communities only unambigiously romantic stuff is labeled yuri?

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re Week 1

That trend/tendency is more or less what I had in mind. Particularly when combined with the tendency to create a rigid dichotomy between yuri vs “bait”. I don’t think it’s a very constructive way to approach things (particularly when, for some people, bait = “it didn’t turn out how I wanted”). Which is not to say I don’t have lines either.

Otoh every time I’ve come across a definition in manga or an interview, it’s always something kinda like the pic, where it has more definition, and there’s examples and nuance, with an acknowledgement that there’s different perceptions amongst readers and authors. I find that refreshing.

I think I also click with “describe a genre by its themes or tropes”… Like I don’t like yuri just bc it’s two (or more) girls. The specific tropes, themes, character archetypes, dynamics, etc are a significant part of what appeals to me about it.

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what is yuri

Honestly not sure where I land on this. I do think bait is applied too liberally sometimes, but I’ve also seen stuff called yuri that I just strongly disagree with. Like, versailles no bara, certainly influential in yuri works but very misleading to call yuri imo.

I think I err towards the side of wanting more intentional and explicitly romantic depictions to call it yuri. If only so I know what I am getting into. There were times works were recd to me as yuri and then I learn the intense female friendship is just that and mc has a male love interest. To be clear I do want to read abt intense friendships as well but it being recd n a certain way sets expectations

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more yuri meta

I agree that’s a misrepresentation of ベルサイユのばら, even though it has some prominent yuri/S elements (Rosalie & Oscar’s relationship specifically) - that’s clearly not what the series is about.

Similarly I’ve seen people refer to New Game & Bocchi as yuri - which I think is also incorrect & misleading - even though the former has a lesbian couple in the main cast + a pair of roommates + arguable subtext btwn some characters; and the latter has girls being attracted to other girls, primarily (imo) as a form of fanservice. That’s not the focus or point of either of those stories. Tho I think many yuri fans would derive enjoyment from those elements.

Ironically that’s one of the few scenarios where I’d even use the word bait… Assuming we’re talking about something like Hibike Euphonium anime. Curious for examples, if you remember any

Hopefully clear, but when I said “particularly when, for some people, bait = “it didn’t turn out how I wanted”” this isn’t the sort of thing I had in mind

That’s fair - and I think probably good to err on that side when making recommendations. Or at the very least to clarify things that might only fit under a looser definition. Tho it’s not always clear where the line is - particularly since (as I initially alluded to) some people have (imo) incredibly restrictive definitions.

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meta replies

I’ll take your word for it being prominent beause you watched it recently but I remembered it as being a quite minor element. Although the reason I brought up this specific example is that the movie brought on some argumenets on whether its yuri.

Funnily enough I’ve seen shows like this both called yuri and yuri bait. This is some of what I was thinking of when ı said bait is applied to liberally. Or stuff like Madoka Magica, where a gay reading is certainly textually supported but apparently not intended.

The latest example of this and the one I was thinking of when writing is Kageki Shoujo.

I assumed you meant stuff where characters do not end up together but I’m not fully sure what would be examples of this.

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Yuri meta

Whether ベルサイユのばら itself was Yuri, or their relationship specifically?

I did see some complaints about the queer elements (that relationship, nobles showing interest in Oscar, etc) being removed. But I only survived 15 min of the movie. So idk

I think that’s a fair, and potentially useful, way to look at them. Like I wouldn’t tell a yuri fan “don’t watch these, they’re bait”. But if someone was going into them wanting explicitly overt yuri, I’d warn them it’s not that kind of show.

For context I also put ゆるゆり (which is undeniably yuri) in this category. All 3 series have noticeable yuri or yuri-like elements that will (afaict) never go beyond fan service/teasing, by design. So in that sense they could be called bait (have yuri bait elements).

Otoh New Game & Bocchi are about other things, and never claimed to be yuri - so in that sense, they’re not. (Even tho New Game has a canon couple in the cast + roommates (who I thought were a couple too, before I’d even heard of yuri)). Ironically the only one of those series I dislike is the actually yuri one :joy:

Do you have a source for it being apparently not intended? It’s hard to take that at face value, especially once you get to Rebellion(?) and Homura actually tells her/us wtf is going on.

I’m due for a rewatch one of these days. Also I just learned that Urobuchi Gen was the writer… which makes me even more intrigued… since a lot of his writing is very unsettling

I haven’t seen yet. Have gotten the impression it’s yuri-adjacent (ie very gay in some places, but not quite yuri)

Curious - are you familiar with 声優ラジオのウラオモテ S1 | L24 or ロックは淑女の嗜みでして S1 | L26 - for me the former is basically in subtext yuri (and at least through vol 6, Yumiko has inner monologue that’s hard to read as anything but her being attracted to Chika) and the latter is “yuri but does it differently” (specifically it does it through metaphor and symbolism). I’ve seen them both called yuri or bait, by different people.

That is what I meant. 熱帯魚は雪に焦がれる | L24 is my pet example. I’ve also seen 思ってたのと違うあの子の話【電子特典付き】 (中経☆ス) | L24?? and やばいアイドルのマネージャーになっちゃった話 1 | L24?? mentioned in this context (though I have not read them yet). My third example (maybe spoiler for something you’ve partially read) would be マリア様がみてる 1 | L30 - which some people frame solely as “do Yumi and Sachiko get together romantically”, and even call bait, even though they’ve been in a relationship for the entire series. As an aside about that series and poly stuff: because of the 3 generation souer pairings, I think that マリみて actually portrays a lot of the dynamics of poly relationships pretty well, even though it wasn’t really conceived with that in mind

As an aside, I’d personally like to see a few more yuri stories where it doesn’t work out (unrequited, never confessed, broke up, was only meant to be short term, something else prevented, etc) - cuz like that happens IRL too. If every yuri has to have the same happy ending, it gets kinda boring imo. Mostly only see that in one shots though.

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re:re:meta

the show itself (this was before the movie actually came out/spurred on by a trailer so it was about the series in general). Rosalie never even came up in the discussions I saw.

Basing this on quotes I saw from an interview with Urobuchi but a quick google search doesn’t turn up the exact stuff I’m looking for and I don’t really want to dig deeper rn. From what I remember he was talking about how it’s not romantic and female friendships at young age tend to be intense and such.

I also am meaning to rewatch before the next movie, though I think I will do it via the movie adaptations which I prefer because they condense the parts I like less and expand on stuff I care about more.

I’m interrested in the latter but I haven’t tried it yet so nothing to add here, it sounds interesting.

I agree with this.

I also read the 2nd chapter

chapter 2

Another cute chapter, though this reminded me in the first chp the gyaru mentions having an imouto she has matching rosaries with. Isn’t that odd for a transfer student ? When did she find one…or is she talking about a literal little sister lol

It’s fun how the mc inadvertently keeps hanging out with the gyaru in the name of protecting yuri (and possibly making her fall for her?).
I’m wondering what she will think about the yuri book she found…

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meta winding down

Does not compute :joy:

No worries about the Madoka stuff. I tend to take anything he says (on anything) with a grain of salt, but gotcha

Does the Madoka movie have a release date yet? I barely remember anything about the series besides “everything is dark, Kyuubei is evil af, Homura is really gay for Madoka”. Also Saitou Chiwa is Homura, and Yuuki Aoi is Madoka - and they’re favorite VAs of mine

Curious to hear if/when you do

Ch 2

This was fun. Not much too add. I wasn’t sure if they meant that マリア祭 was the day when little sisters were chosen, or just that it’s common to make it official that day (probably the latter)

Literal little sister - that’s the joke, iirc (not much of a spoiler, but technically future knowledge)

Enter girl prince/idol

Ok but can we actually get a manga with this premise? :joy:

Seems like the perfect way to not get picked

A nice inversion. Also I love that the 幼馴染 thing happened, but 渡辺 missed it bc she was too busy “saving” the Yuri

She needs a Touko-chan to explain it to her :stuck_out_tongue:

That blush :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Chapter 2

Another very fun chapter.

#MyYuriSensesAreTingling!

IS dare!?

Love the jokes where the tropes become literal :triangular_flag_on_post:

The scene with Watanabe getting a +1 affection from Yoshioka when she tells her she can 相談 with her anytime is hilarious. I’m really curious where the Yuri book is going to take Yoshioka.

My understanding was also that it’s the latter - that it’s very common for people to pick sisters that day, but not necessarily the only day, or the official day to do it.

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Chapter 3

I am enjoying the direction this is taking quite a bit.

Yoshioka’s detective work was hilarious - suddenly saying “Yuri” to gauge Watanabe’s reaction.



It was also funny how she jumps to the wrong conclusion in the final scene at the karaoke

Looking forward to Yoshioka’s next move!

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Chapter 4

Another pretty fun chapter.

Didn’t actually expect the twist of Yoshioka’s sister to be unrelated by blood. Also very nice that Watanabe actually manages to witness a Yuri 相合傘 in the end!

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