Harry Potter lives in the cupboard under the stairs at his uncle and auntâs house at number four, Privet Drive - until the day when a mysterious letter arrives from Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and a giant on a flying motorcycle arrives to change his life with four simple words: âHarry - yer a wizard.â
The regular schedule covers one chapter a week, but if you find this too fast, the relaxed schedule covers one chapter every two weeks.
Regular Schedule
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Chapter 1
Relaxed Schedule
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Chapter 1 (first half)
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Apr 8
Chapter 1 (second half)
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I read chapter 1 in Spanish a couple of days ago while I had some time to kill on a journey. Chapter 1 was a fairly straightforward read, I wonder if it will get harder when more fantasy vocabulary kicks in. There was one tricky sentence I need to come back to when I have the book to hand.
Iâve wondered for a while how they handle some aspects of the story and language in other languages. This week we had Quien-usted-sabe for You-Know-Who.
Not sure, but I feel like I have to reread the first few books because itâs been so long lol, will read the first chapter somewhen during the week because I canât remember most of the details anymore.
I just read the first chapter in Spanish as well, but that translation of You-know-who was actually el Innombrable , so closer to He-who-must-not-be-named. I already read the first book in Spanish some years ago, and I didnât remember him being called that, so I guess that means I read the same edition as you at the time. I donât understand how translations can be so inconsistent.
Itâs been a while since Iâve reread the actual books (instead of just reading fanfics) so it was nice to notice some things Iâd forgotten or simply missed.
Sometimes when I read a sentence and thereâs a word I donât know, the french sentence just pops into my head because of how many times Iâve read it. So thatâs nice, and I guess part of the appeal in reading Harry Potter as a language learner.
I already finished with chapter 1 listening to the audiobook. Makes me wonder what the Japanese voices in the movies are like, because the book voices sound very different to the English movie voices, which I have in my head.
Doesnât English use both of these? (Thus requiring both versions in Spanish as well)
Maybe I remember that wrong.
I know that this is the customary statement, but most people here have already read Harry Potter.
I noticed something in chapter 1, but itâs related to things from book 6/7. So should I avoid mentioning it, or can this bookclub be considered as different than other ones?
(Of course, if I did mention it, it would be under spoilers and after a bold spoilers for bookâŠ)
Yeah, English has both, but my first chapter only has El Innombrable while @Micki 's first chapter only has (if I understood correctly)Quien-Usted-Sabe. Thatâs where the discrepancy is.
I think itâs fine to mention it as long as itâs spoilered (blur or curtained) and you clearly state that itâs a spoiler for a specific book or meant for people who are familiar with the whole story.
I had to check this but yes the English version has both. I checked the English version and McGonagall says âYou-Know-Whoâ - so Quien-usted-sabe is the more direct translation.
There are lots more things Iâm looking forward to seeing how they handle in the translation but the big one is:
Massive spoiler for volume 2
How they handle the anagram of Tom Riddle/I am Lord Voldemort. Especially in Japanese!
Iâm also curious about the Spanish and Korean versions of his name.
I know for French, they changed his middle name and last name, but still staying very vaguely in the spirit of Riddle. So itâs Tom Elvis Jedusor instead, turning into âJe suis Voldemortâ.
Massive spoilers for volume 7
Upon rereading this chapter, I realized something.
â-ÂżFue aquĂâŠ?â -susurrĂł la profesora McGonnagal.
âSĂâ -respondiĂł Dumbledore-. TendrĂĄ esa cicatriz para siempre.
âÂżNo puede hacer nada para eso, Dumbledore?â
âAunque pudiera, no lo harĂa. Las cicatrices pueden ser Ăștiles.â
Minerva McGonagall: âIs that where â ?â
Albus Dumbledore: âYes. Heâll have that scar forever.â
Minerva McGonagall: âCouldnât you do something about it, Dumbledore?â
Albus Dumbledore: âEven if I could, I wouldnât. Scars can come in handy.â
At this point, Dumbledore is already saying that Harry should keep his scar, because it could be useful. So could that be foreshadowing for the whole horcrux/self sacrifice? Does Dumbledore already know?
I noticed that as well. I didnât think there would be much plot discussion, but Iâve only read through the books once before, so itâs interesting already spotting things that foreshadow things to come much later in the story.
I just took this as a mysterious âscars can by usefulâ, a knowledge that scars can have magical properties. Itâs hard to imagine that even Dumbledore can envision that far ahead?
Iâve read the books a lot. Really, a lot. Plus numerous Harry Potter fanfictions. So Iâm always up for making theories and investigating every single point.
Finished chapter one of ES HP, reading + listening. Iâm not a big fan of the narrator of my audiobook so far, Carlos Ponce. His sentence flow feels odd, and I donât like anyoneâs voice but maybe Dumbledoreâs so far; Uncle Vernon in particular sounds like a Muppet.
My audiobook and physical book also differ translation-wise in a few areas; mostly word choice, but a few sentences as well, so I canât tell if one is a cleaned-up translation or an altogether different one.
My version of You-Know-Who is «Quien-usted-sabe», for reference, and Iâve got bĂșhos everywhere in my audiobook and just lechuzas in the physical.
JP next; Iâll just be listening to the audiobook for that one.
This was the sentence I wanted to come back to in Spanish:
Summary
El señor Dursley se quedĂł completamente helado. Lo habĂa abrazado un desconocido. Y por si fuera poco lo habĂa llamado «muggle», fuera lo que fuese aquello.
Mr. Dursley completely froze. He had been hugged by a stranger. And if that were not enough he had called him a âMuggleâ, whatever that was.
So, por si fuera poco can be translated as a phrase - as if it werenât enough or on top of that.
And as if that were not enough⊠there are two more imperfect subjunctives to finish the sentence!
Fuera lo que fuese doesnât seem to be a set phrase in my dictionary, but lots of example sentences of it meaning whatever or whatever it was.
Understanding the difference between fuera and fuese has been asked a few times in Spanish learning forums when you google it,. At least one of those articles referred to the phrase fuera lo que fuese being used in Harry Potter. The phrase came up again later in the chapter.
Here is an article (in Spanish) explaining the slight difference between the two forms.
As for âfuera lo que fueseâ, âfuera lo que fueraâ is also an acceptable form. (Youâll even encounter the more common âsea lo que seaâ and the less common âsea lo que fuereâ) Iâm not sure how often both of these come up, but I also feel like Iâve heard both of these before, in the sense that they feel natural enough. These are kind of like idioms, so at one point you just have to learn the meaning, and itâll be the same every single time it comes up. The nuances come from the differences in tenses, but for this one at least I donât think thereâs a difference between âfuera lo que fueraâ or âfuera lo que fueseâ.
