マリア様がみてる & お釈迦様もみてる Home Thread

Since some of us have an interest in マリみて beyond just book 1, I’m creating a central thread that’s intended to encompass the entire franchise (thx to @bbo for the prompt). Feel free to discuss or ask about anything related to the franchise, but please put any potential spoilers under [details] tags or blur with [spoiler] tags and indicate what they’re a spoiler for, ex: “spoiler for all 4 seasons of anime” or “spoiler for volume 7 and earlier”, etc.

Media

Type Link Notes
Light Novels マリア様がみてる | L29 Source material
Anime マリア様がみてる S1 | L27 4 seasons, covers through vol 27
Manga マリア様がみてる 1 | L27
Movie マリア様がみてる | L28 Live-action
Companion Series お釈迦様もみてる | L28?? Follows Yumi’s brother at Hanadera high school

If you’re wondering how the anime got through 27 volumes in 4 seasons: Season 4 apparently compressed or dropped a lot!

Book Clubs/Discussion Threads

Helpful Resources & Info

Rose System (from Wikipeda)

Much of the story of Maria-sama ga Miteru revolves around the Yamayuri Council (山百合会, Yamayurikai, lit. “Mountain Lily Council”), which acts as the student council. The Yamayuri Council meets in a building called the Rose Mansion (薔薇の館, Bara no Yakata). It is located within the school and consists of two stories, including a meeting room on the second. The Yamayuri Council itself consists of three offices, named after roses: Persian yellow rose (ロサ・フェティダ, Rosa foetida), Himalayan rose (ロサ・ギガンティア, Rosa gigantia), and Chinese rose (ロサ・キネンシス, Rosa chinensis).[3][12] These are also referred to by their colors; the Yellow Rose (黄薔薇, Kibara) is Rosa foetida, the White Rose (白薔薇, Shirobara) is Rosa gigantea, and the Red Rose (紅薔薇, Benibara) is Rosa chinensis.

Due to the high importance the three Rose families have in the development of the student activities within school, those who become petites sœurs of any of the mentioned families receive a functional “inheritance” through the grandes sœurs teachings, to adopt a position given certain circumstances. In this way, patrons are recognized through the generations of the members of the Rose families. Still, after graduating, the grandes sœurs of the Yamayuri Council may continue with a fair participation in the events concerning their families, as shown in the novels.[13]

A Rose (薔薇, Bara), or Rosa (ロサ), is one of three senior members of the Yamayuri Council. It is also possible to generally speak of all the members of the Yamayuri Council as roses. A Rose makes the critical decisions within this group since she controls the student council. Candidates for the position, which lasts through the school year, are chosen through an election. Any student can run to become a Rose, although the position is usually given to the en boutons, the Roses’ petite sœurs.

The petite sœur of a Rosa is called an en bouton (アン・ブゥトン, an būton), otherwise known as a “rosebud” (薔薇のつぼみ, bara no tsubomi). En bouton is French for “in bud”—as used in the example Rosa Chinensis en bouton—and is unofficially considered part of the Yamayuri Council, as is the petite sœur of the en bouton, if she has one. The en boutons must be in a lower year than their Rosa, and generally, the en boutons execute the plans discussed by the Roses like assistants. Although the Rosa positions of the Yamayuri Council are traditionally passed to the en bouton on the graduation of the current holder, they are nonetheless elected offices that anyone may run for.

The petite sœur of the en bouton is called en bouton petite sœur (アン・ブゥトン・プティ・スール, an būton puti sūru)—as used in the example Rosa Chinensis en bouton petite sœur—and is otherwise known as the “younger sister of a rose bud” (薔薇のつぼみの妹, bara no tsubomi no imōto). She must be in a lower year than her en bouton and performs small duties, such as attending to the Roses’ en boutons, cleaning the Rose Mansion, and making tea and snacks for the Yamayuri Council. This lasts a school year; the following year, when their en bouton is elected as Rosa, the petite sœurs automatically become en boutons.

Yamayuri Council's titles and sœur relationships, at beginning of Book 1
Foetida Chinensis Gigantea
Rosa ~ Eriko Torii (third year) Yōko Mizuno (third year) Sei Satō (third year)
Rosa ~ en bouton Rei Hasekura (second year) Sachiko Ogasawara (second year) Shimako Tōdō (first year)
Rosa ~ en bouton petite sœur Yoshino Shimazu (first year) None None
Character names (kanji, kana, titles) for Book 1
Kanji Kana Year Role
福沢 祐巳 ふくざわ ゆみ 1年 主人公
武島 蔦子 たけしま つたこ 1年 Photoboy
水野 蓉子 みずの ようこ 3年 Rosa Kinensis
小笠原 祥子 おがさわら さちこ 2年 Kinesis bouton
佐藤 聖 さとう せい 3年 Rosa Gigantia
藤堂 志摩子 とうどう しまこ 1年 Gigantia Bouton
鳥居 江利子 とりい えりこ 3年 Rosa Fetida
支倉 令 はせくら れい 2年 Fetida bouton
島津 由乃 しまづ よしの 1年 Fetida petite soure
かつら 1年 Yumi classmate
Anime subtitles

First 3 episodes = LN 1

https://jimaku.cc/entry/971 - not the best selection tho

Maria-sama ga Miteru - Japanese subtitles - kitsunekko.net - should have S1

Note: the zip for season 1 actually only includes subs for 1-5 and 11. the other subs seem to be chinese. S2 doesn’t have Japanese apparently

I’ll probly add more to this later

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If there’s anything I should add, let me know! Otherwise I’ll probly start posting thoughts on individual books, characters, etc in a later comment. I’m on Book 9 right now, and have watched the entire anime. Happy to chat about anything related, answer general questions, etc.

@Makochou101 @Azusa - figured this thread may be of interest

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Book 9 impressions (Ongoing - 19%)

Wow this book is fresh!! To start with, we have the new freshman, and our first PoV character, Noriko, is totally unlike any of the characters we’ve met until now. In fact her experience coming into Lilian Academy reminds me of how I felt when I started the anime - mildly bewildered, hard to distinguish people, confused by the French titles, etc. Also this is the first arc where the author really incorporates the religious element, beyond the superficial “this character is pious, and prays every day” characterization (yes I’m counting Shiori in that). I’m curious to see how far the novels go with the conflict btwn Catholicism & Buddhism

Just like having Shimako’s inner-monologue at the end of book 8 added so much, starting off book 9 with Noriko’s inner-monologue is really exciting. Her meeting with Shimako, and her sense of disorientation, are much more interesting to read here. I can already see the parallels between them. Also it’s fascinating how the members of each Rose family all kind of resemble each other, while still being fairly different. I’m excited to have met Touko already (I don’t care for her at all right now now, but she becomes a favorite later).

Otoh this book feels like it suddenly got harder, with some of the narrative descriptions and vocab (or maybe it’s just cuz I haven’t done as much jpdb?) - and I haven’t even gotten to the Buddhism stuff yet

Book 9 impressions - Ongoing (50%)

I got through the whole spectacle scene at the マリア祭, and wow that’s emotional!! And still really rubs me the wrong way. Now the book is about to backtrack, and show the whole well-intentioned scheming that everyone did. I prefer how everything was done simultaneously in the anime, but I understand why this way make sense for the book.

Having Noriko’s inner-monologue had been so excellent tho. I do enjoy that she thinks everyone in her class is nuts, and hung up on the most pointless things, and that the whole roses being treated like idols, and ppl obsessing over rosaries and stuff is bizarre.

It took me a few times to realize, but Touko refers to herself in 3rd person, which is always momentarily confusing. Also that girl is such a brat!! So むかつく lol. I’m really curious what exactly her angle is - like whether she was actually jealous of Noriko getting closer to Shimako, or if that was all part of the act too - as well as whether she actually actively wants to be in over of the rose families, or if that’s something the people around her have made up

The contrast between their class and yumi’s class is kind of fascinating. The kids in yumi’s class were so respectful and normal, and even helpful when the Sachiko stuff started happening. The kids in Noriko’s class are kinda terrifying.

Also, where’s the newspaper club in all this? Have they just chilled out of its not Minako running it anymore? Oh wait Minako didn’t graduate. Her little sister seemed quite ambitious too tho. I guess there can only be so many story elements at once. And tbh I’m glad that they’re not in the midst of things rn, cuz they get kinda old after a while. Edit: Mami showed up literally 3 pgs after I wrote this

I’m skeptical of how chill almost everyone in the series seems to be about heterodox religious views, having Buddhist religious items around, etc. Idk maybe it’s a Japanese thing, but I can’t imagine that flying in the Catholicism that I’ve been exposed to - which this story arc played on really well. In general I think the religious stuff in this series is a bit superficial (which I don’t mind at all), and I wonder whether mission schools in Japan were actually that lenient/casual. Not really important, just idle curiosity.

Book 9 impressions - ongoing (68%)

Yumi meets Touko (who is course is being a brat, and super rude to Yumi), and suddenly I am reminded of all the things that frustrate the hell out of me about Sachiko. Like I already know that Yumi is jumping to incorrect conclusions, but the double standard in how Sachiko treats the two of them / how oblivious and inconsiderate Sachiko is to Yumi in general just really pisses me off…

It seems Sachiko is magically back to normal the next day. That’s convenient. Yumi’s thoughts about maybe not needing their own 妹たち and wanting it to stay the five of them - I get it, but at the same time, incredibly naive

A Little Princess got a name drop as one of Touko’s roles from when she was younger

Yoshino is simultaneous brilliant, and comes up with some really outlandish theories, with glaring logical errors (which Yumi usually half recognizes, but half missed cuz she jumps the gun for emotional reasons)

Newspaper club Mami makes appearance after all. She’ll have a field day at the マリア祭! Also I thought Minato had graduated, but she’s actually in the same year as Sachiko & Rei

Book 9 impressions - Finished

“Let’s leave the door open while we have our secret conversation, so we can hear ppl come up the stairs”

Ok… And you don’t think they’ll hear your voices in the meantime?

Touko: sneaks in walks up without making noise and surprises them.

Saw that coming (well not Touko specifically)

The scene where Touko sneaks up on Yumi and then offers to show her about Noriko, and then where they go spy on them is an interesting thing that does make me question my perception of Touko, and what extent having Yumi’s narration influences that

Touko saw the exchange, look through Noriko’s bag, and then wrote a play?! This girl is nuts, precocious, and kinda scary. Watching Rei contain her, cuz she knows from dealing with Yoshino was cool

I appreciate that Yumi has misgivings about the whole plan, but I do wish they’d actually argued about it a bit

Having the events retold through Yumi’s perspective was nice, but retelling the climactic scene itself didn’t really add much. It would have been nice to get more of Shimako & Noriko’s scene afterwards.

Also Sei stopping by just to go away, didn’t really add much. She should have teased Yumi to make Sachiko jealous or something, but I guess she’s growing up a bit? Still it’s nice to know clearly that she still cares about Shimako (not that I had any doubts)

Oh look, Sachiko finally remembered how to be nice to Yumi in the last 1/3rd, and also asked her what she wants as a present for White Day & her bday combined - which she’s been putting off asking for “various reasons”. I know exactly where this is going of course, and I look forward to reading all drama, with its emotional highs and lows, that will come of it

I still don’t get: Touko pressuring Noriko about the マリア祭 or her being upset when Noriko was getting all the attention after talking to Shimako. The first I guess could genuinely be her wanting to get close, but the 2nd took place before she got mixed up in the whole “Save Shimako” operation. So I really don’t get where it was coming from - besides Konno-sensei trying to mislead us into thinking she was the villain (which she still kinda was, just not a malicious one).

It seems like Yumi and Touko are getting along a bit better than they were at the beginning. Touko still seems kinda cheeky and disrespectful, but again not malicious.

Overall it was an incredibly enjoyable read. Noriko’s perspective for the first half was so refreshing, and I’m looking forward to more of her and Touko

Book 10 - story 1 (36%)

I can’t believe Sachiko of all people is bugging Shimako about making Noriko her sister (oh wait, yes I can). I’m glad they all kept that exchange civil lol. And I like that Shimako had this hesitancy and “why exactly do we need to be sisters?” thing, like Sei had (without the unhealthy part)

I love the way Shimako dodges questions - excellent counter to Sachiko trying to forcibly say things implicitly. It’s interesting cuz both her and Yumi will ask dead-obvious questions, but in a totally different tone, and with totally different results)

The way Shimako & Noriko care so intently for each other, as they discuss the sister thing on the way home is so sweet. Amazed Noriko is willing to go help

Tsutako-san is such a great advice giver. Also the things about her not liking having her picture taken is golden

Wow, Sachiko is sooooo unbelievably toxic with Noriko. I guess I just forgot this from the anime, but she really couldn’t be any more unpleasant, manipulative, and bullying. Especially this bullshit over using Noriko -san for Shimako? After all this time?! When she rarely bothers Touko over using onee-sama? Idc if she’s doing it to push Shimako to take Noriko as her sister (not Sachiko’s place anyway), it’s so hypocritical and self-serving. And of course she strategically picks the time when Rei & Yoshino aren’t there.

I wish Shimako had enough experience to see the different options for how to handle that situation, and really feel for her that she’s so overwhelmed with everything. I wish Yumi hadn’t just sat there silently, even tho she was flustered. She could have at least blurred something out (tho I guess the result of that would have just been Sachiko telling her to shut up anyway)

Impressed that Noriko has so much emotional maturity (apparently more than me lol). It’s interesting how after being in Shimako’s head for this entire story, we get presented with an entirely different perspective. Their becoming sisters scene was so beautiful, but I hate that Sachiko’s lashing out at Noriko is the reason for it. I’d like to think there were so many other ways they could have arrived at that same conclusion. Anyway the whole “just let me borrow it for a bit, like the 数珠” thing was really sweet

Book 10, story 2 (ongoing 58%)

I appreciate that Yoshino called Rei on the fact that she had no objections to Yoshino possibly doing Kendo, after the surgery. Tho personally I agree with Rei on this one (not for health reasons), they’d probably be better off in separate clubs

Proud of Yoshino for just charging ahead with applying for the club. Kinda ridiculous that the adults all feel the need to take Rei’s feelings into consideration on that level tho

Yoshino’s narration of Noriko’s first visit is interesting. She has the totally wrong read on the situation bc of her ongoing conflict with Rei. Whereas Shimano had the correct read, but felt unable to act. Yumi probably half got it, and half wallowed - or maybe she views it naively too. We haven’t had her perspective yet.

It took me a bit to realize the story had respond like a day or two from where the first story ended. Yet another example where the anime’s ability to portray things simultaneously is an advantage over the novel.

I love how (at the very least, in Yoshino’s perception), Rei is the more emotionally fragile and dependent of the two. While they both have codependency issues, Yoshino actively tries to make Rei stronger and more independent of her - both with the earlier returning the rosary, and now with John the club. This time is as much for her own sake as Rei’s tho - which makes it extra cool!!

Omg she got paired with Tanuma Chisato of all people, upon entering the club :rofl: - poor girls. But I’m sure they’ll work it out lol

Yoshino is starting to think of getting herself an 妹, both for labor and for getting her mind off Rei. The first isn’t so serious, but the later is certainly an idea. I wonder if she’ll manage soon (nothing ever happens that conveniently in this series lol. I imagine it will take quite a long time)

Rei’s first talk with Yoshino after 3 days, I was like ちょっと怖いそうな内容、大丈夫かな〜

General thought: I love the way Yoshino and Rei fight, but still work out their issues in the end. It was really fun to read, cuz you could totally see where both of them were coming from.

Book 10, Story 3

The 3rd story is my 2nd or 3rd favorite painful drama arc in the series (the other rival being Sei’s origin story, and later on all the back and forth with Yumi & Touko that I’m really looking forward to)

In part cuz I’ve seen the anime, I had a slightly more level impression of Sachiko in story 3 (don’t worry, she still pissed me off plenty in story 1, and some moments of story 3). And also has a somewhat different impression of Touko this time around. I’m super looking forward to next volume!

I noticed there’s some subtle things I missed when I watched the anime. Also I really wish Yumi had given back the rosary to Sachiko at that point. (Spoiler for next volume: Tho knowing what comes in the next volume, I’m glad she didn’t, cuz that would have been an excruciatingly painful time to break up, and even Sachiko doesn’t deserve that)

Anyway it’s interesting to read what’s basically a (very tastefully written) NTR storyline and (spoiler for next volume): the way the author totally subverts that

Book 11

There’s a difference btwn 台所 and キッチン. Interesting

I wasn’t expecting this one to have as light of a tone as it did, but apparently the author didn’t want to drag the dark tone over two books - which I think was a wise decision. Otherwise I’m so glad Yumi finally got some solid character growth. She’s learning to be more independent and assertive, that she can’t base all her happiness around Sachiko, that others really care for her, etc. Also her very grown-up realization that Touko isn’t the problem - the fact that she feels she can’t trust Sachiko, (which she understands is both of their fault/responsibility)

I found the thing of “my grandmother told me not to tell you” a bit of a cheap excuse, on the author’s part. She could have just as easily told Yumi something was up, like that there was an ongoing family matter that she would have to deal with for a while or something. I appreciated though that she did own up to her mistakes in the end, and also getting to see how vulnerable and afraid of losing Yumi she was. Plus the way that tied in with the old lady Yumi met & her grandmother. (You know whenever there’s an old lady in this series, they’re gonna have some sorta special role to play)

Speaking of getting to seeing different perspectives, I had a different perception of Touko over this and last volume than when I watched the anime. I still think she was plenty disrespectful to/inconsiderate of Yumi at times - but I also think she was really going all-in supporting Sachiko behind the scenes, and it’s understandable that she’d snap the way she did, b/c she doesn’t know Yumi well, and doesn’t have all this info we have about what’s going on in Yumi’s head.

And speaking of Touko, I loved the way Yumi handles her, once she realizes that Touko isn’t the issue. She’s all clever about turning the tables on her - both with the “I’ll start crying” manipulation, and the fact that she was asking her to come volunteer in the first place. The teasing her while she’s volunteering was great too, and it’s cool watching Touko both genuinely try to be helpful, and getting all bent out of shape. Also I was impressed by Touko’s ability to set such clear limits, when she gave into Yumi’s request. She needs to get better at giving hints tho - they’re too opaque. Like wth was Yumi supposed to get out of “don’t get in the car w/ Suguru, he’s a terrible driver”?? I’ve experienced the arc twice, and I still don’t get what she was even trying to communicate there. I do appreciate that both Suguru and Sei (as 18-19 year olds) are not the best drivers - that’s a nice bit of realism. Speaking of realism, I appreciate that Mami knew something was up, and had some isolated facts, but couldn’t fully connect the dots - that was very realistic. Otoh I feel like she’s a lot less interesting than Minako - all bark, no bite. Then again, it’s good that the author’s not relying on her to move the plot forward, cuz I felt like she leaned on the newspaper a bit too frequently, in past volumes.

On the topic of fault and responsibility, I love how both Yoshino and Youko were immediately like “whatever happened, I’m sure it’s Sachiko’s fault” - that felt a bit vindicating. While I don’t generally find Youko interesting, she was helpful here, and having her to balance out Suguru was a great choice. Speaking of Suguru, I love his interactions w/ Yumi in general, though I do worry about poor Yuuki… and it makes me really want to read his series to find out just what is actually going on between them (“light skinship” - yeah, why don’t I trust that?). Anyway I appreciate that Suguru’s helpful at the most important moments, but also a complete pain in the ass. It definitely came as a surprise to me that I’ve found myself liking him as much as I do.

Speaking of surprises, apparently after book 10 there were a ton of readers writing in to ask the author not to make Touko into Yumi/Yoshino’s sister. That never would have remotely occurred to me when I read volume 10. The author did outright say she’d never even considered pairing her w/ Yoshino, b/c they’re such a terrible match. (Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean she’d pair her with Yumi either). Spoiler for a lot of future volumes: knowing what’s coming, since I’ve seen the anime, I can totally see the seeds the author is planting already in this volume

Otherwise I loved the old lady and Sei & Kei’s relationship (it would be hilarious if they started dating or something). Also I found Sei basically asking if Yumi wanted to be her’s, and Yumi turning her down interesting. On one hand, I think they actually have really good chemistry and would work well in a lot of ways. Otoh, I can kinda see what Sei means about “it seems like Yumi would take a lot of energy to keep up with”… but it’s not like Sachiko has kept up with Yumi all that much. In any case, I really appreciated Sei (and others) telling Yumi to value herself more, and pointing out that (as much as Sachiko chose her), she chose Sachiko - pointing out that she’s not as helpless as she thinks she is… tho it kinda bothers me that Sei didn’t call up Sachiko to get a better sense of what’s going on.

Shimako telling Yumi she should get a sister really rubbed me the wrong way, and I don’t like that the author did that. I also don’t understand why anyone there had any objections to bringing in a volunteer, but especially Shimako of all people… It did make for a good setup for the 屁理屈 from the others, about why they couldn’t intervene with Yumi teasing Touko tho.

I didn’t really care for the umbrella thing. Losing it was great as a plot device, and I appreciated the symbolism with her getting it back (and the mystery of “who mended this”) - but like the teacher’s soliloquoy

Final thought: I’m pretty sure the anime ended with the Sachiko-Yumi 仲乗り scene (which was great), but I like that here it ended with the Sayako & Yoshino scenes

Book 12

Well if you’ve read 私の百合はお仕事です! | L27 now you know where 綾小路 and 西園寺 got their names from!

I was rolling my eyes at Sachiko in the beginning, and was like “really?! Are we just going on repeat with the terrible communication here?!”. Her calling Yumi 反抗的 was ridiculous, as were half her excuses for avoiding the amusement park… Yoshino’s suggestion of “suggest something you can only do in summer” was brilliant, and then it turned into “Yumi, come to my summer house with me”!!! I’m not exactly a big fan of their relationship, but it was like “now she’s finally getting it! I’m so happy for you Yumi!”

I enjoy seeing characters grammatically analyze other characters’ words.

The exchange between Yuuki & Yumi at home with her warning him about Suguru makes me really wonder what’s up btwn them, and what he’s not telling her. Also it’s interesting to see the things she dislikes about Suguru - like she seems bothered to an extent by his sexuality but it seems to only be because of Sachiko and Yuuki, and that he’s kinda predatory.

I appreciated Yoshino giving yumi clear and intelligent advice wrt the “invite someone” dilemma. I wasn’t really sure why Yumi considered inviting Touko as “doing the same thing to Sachiko that Sachiko had done to her”. Honestly I think it’s pretty cool that Yumi thought of inviting Touko so easily - even though she still wasn’t getting the point that Sachiko wanted her to invite people she wanted to invite (instead of ppl she thought would please Sachiko). I also appreciated that Sachiko didn’t feel any jealousy over inviting Sei (who Yumi has a bit of a guilty conscience over), and that Yumi got way overanalytical about it.

The whole その券 vs その件 & 車で vs くるまで misunderstanding was hilarious! It’s nice to see them have a light-hearted & genuine miscommunication, rather than a huge misunderstanding due to non-communication. Also I appreciate that Yumi’s improved wrt her own self-deprecation & confidence, but isn’t like 100% there yet either - nice realism

Servant-language is sooooooo annoying. It’s the most ridiculous level of honorifics/keigo possible. I got through it, but it’s just so tedious. I was amused at Yumi feeling 複雑 about their name honorifics. Also I love seeing Yumi get called Yumi-sama (every time it occurs in the series). The social class differences are utilized quite well in this story, in general.

Yumi being surprised at the presence of the knife & fork was great. Yumi requesting Ave Maria on piano (I guess that’s their “couple song”).

The scene with Yumi waking up Sachiko was golden - loved her being all flustered and stuff, was adorable!

読書三昧 - a perfect phrase to describe myself!

Yumi’s trip with Yuuki and her friends was great, but I felt soooooo bad for her, when his friends started bringing up/imagining rumors about her and Suguru (tho the actual joke about “Kashiwagi-senpai should marry Yumi, cuz then he’d have two Yuukis” was funny on its own). Tho Suguru giving her a ride back, and her feeling “maybe he’s not actually that bad”… until he made another comment about Yuki :sweat_smile:

Yumi’s line wondering if Cinderella actually had a “happily ever after”, after having to deal with the petty rich girls was really poignant. And in general, I relate to Yumi so hard on this class consciousness stuff

One thing that was interesting is that she seemed actually relieved to see Touko at the table (she even uses 嬉しい). In the anime, it seemed like she was disappointed that Touko was still around. I love that Touko actually gave a her a decently solid, clear warning about what was up this time - and it seems like she properly understood it (in the anime she seems a bit more airheaded about it, iirc).

山百合会 showing up was a nice enough addition (probly just to plz the readers), though I found it a bit unrealistic. Otoh I didn’t feel like Tsutako & Mami’s excursion added much of anything. But maybe it will be relevant next volume?

I loved Yumi showing up to the party, and Touko being like “you came even though I warned you?! wth is wrong with you??” (Touko’s such a cute tsundere). Suguru’s interactions with Yumi at the party, and then Yumi & Sachiko were quite enjoyable (and of course a necessary explanation for the audience). It’s interesting that none of them seemed standoffish with each other this time around, and I liked that he was genuinely impressed.

More importantly: Yumi pulling out マリア様の心, and being the only person to please the old lady, is one of the best moments in the entire series (though it landed much harder for me in the anime)

The ending of this was really sweet. Overall, this is the first volume where I genuinely fully enjoyed Yumi & Sachiko as a couple, and that was a really nice change

Book 13

Story 1:

  • Yuuki & Yumi at Suguru’s place was hilarious
  • What was up w/ Touko just crashing on the party for 2 hrs?
  • Yuuki figured out that Touko was the issue wrt Yumi’s fight w/ Sachiko, even though Yumi never mentioned anything to him
  • Also he thinks Touko is cute, aww
  • Was not expecting to see math analogies in this ridiculous plan!
  • Yuuki being protective of Yumi when Kobayashi is trying to flirt with her :heart_eyes:
  • Yumi wanting to cover her ears when Kobayashi mentions that there’s gay people and trans people (おかま)
  • As the conversation goes on, it’s clear Yumi doesn’t have any actual issue w/ the trans thing. While she sometimes seems casually homophobic, it seems it’s more about social standards [I’m not sure what I meant by this, but it was in my notes], and certain characters’ behavior
  • It’s nice that Sachiko was forgiving about the plan, but her saying that she would have thrown a tantrum, once she saw through the plan, b/c she knows the 山百合会 girls will be forgiving of it - so obnoxious!!
  • Sachiko turning the lines on Yuuki was great! And then she fainted, cuz of the big guys… oops :sweat_smile:

Story 2:

  • Overally I really didn’t like this story. Mami is boring, and I would have much rather seen Noriko & Shimako’s actual date
  • I’m glad Minako wasn’t 100% gone - she’s so much more interesting
  • I wonder what sort of connection Shimako & Takuya will form
  • Mami getting all excited about Takuya… I have to wonder if she’s into him, or if it’s just a journalist thing
  • I guess the whole twist with the old guy actually being Takuya was kinda cool… but the whole thing was just way too dragged out
  • As much as Minako was way too over the top, I wish we’d see Mami actually succeed at something wrt the Roses

Story 3: Okay, I guess if you wanted some Yoshino x Rei fanservice, this was great. But for me it was a really boring omake that I could have just skipped

Book 14
  • The long awaited meeting between the two student councils did not disappoint!
  • Sachiko being so affirming of Alice, despite freezing up for a bit, and then Yumi being both territorial and also being like “of course we can be friends”
    • I love that Yumi adds that it felt like she gained a girl friend
    • Yumi’s comment that if you line Rei & Alice up, you have trouble distinguishing who’s which gender was a bit lol
  • In general I really like the way Alice is incorporated into the novels. From a 2024 US perspective, it would be easy to be critical of it. But in the time & setting, I think it’s both very realistic and very affirming.
    • Like they all just wholeheartedly accept Alice at the meeting
    • It makes sense that the Lilian girls are gonna compare the differences between them & Alice, when it comes to clothes and stuff… but also the fact/way that they’re comparing is coming from the fact that they accept Alice’s identity in the first place
    • Also Alice’s identity is certainly viewed with less of the low-key prejudice/stereotyping than how the two explicitly gay characters (Suguru & Sei) are initially characterized… tho to be fair, that has as much to do with their behavior vs Alice’s being a total sweetheart all the time
    • Otoh this sorta thing is one of the few instances where Japanese is very rigidly gendered, in a way that English is not - since it doesn’t have gender neutral equivalents for 彼/彼女、男/女 afaik
    • オカマ is arguably a bit vulgar - but it’s not always inherently negative. Like there’s a clear difference between when Kobayashi uses it vs when Kanako uses
    • Also tbh, I’m not even sure that gendered religious schools today would be so accepting/affirming
    • I love all of Yumi & Yuuki’s interactions. They’re like the sweetest siblings, and it makes me want to just hug them both. I really hope we see more of that in the companion series
  • I loved seeing Yumi get pissed at Kanako, on Alice’s behalf
  • Hanadera’s split path thing, with the sports vs culture sides, was interesting. I love that Yuuki and Yumi both had the same “alternate sides every day” mentality
  • Yumi pulling the “but you told me you’d always listen if I ever asked something of you” line on Kashiwagi was great
    • Yumi forcing him to take off the costume was even better. Good for her!
    • I really enjoy their interactions in general, they’re quite fun
  • I love the way Yumi can be really supportive of Sachiko, and also knows how to handle her
    • And Sachiko has some sense that this is going on, and is okay being guided in this way

I found the ending thing where Yumi’s wandering recklessly in the costume a bit hard to swallow, but I get that it was there to connect to Sachiko’s whole “I’d recognize you no matter what”

Book 15

Main thought: it managed to make a 体育祭 not boring. I’m impressed

Things I liked (if you can’t tell, I really like Touko)

Yumi x Touko:

  • Touko is clearly incredibly concerned for Yumi, regularly
  • Yumi is both very competent at handling her and very charmed by her.
  • Yumi firmly stopping Touko, before Touko could tell her Kanako’s business! Spoiler for S4 & corresponding volumesYumi very firmly showed Touko that she’s not remotely interested in knowing about someone’s personal business, unless that person tells her directly… so wow Touko is unnecessarily paranoid later on (poor girl)
  • Yumi only told Touko about how all she wanted with the wager was to connect with Kanako
  • Touko being all ツンツン after she gets flustered - 可愛い
  • Yumi later imitating Touko when asking Tsutako for pics
  • Yumi looking towards where Touko was standing, and then being disappointed she wasn’t still there
  • Yumi instinctively starting to cheer for Touko during the festival
  • Touko being dodgy about allegedly wanting to dance with Sachiko (Maybe this is just my headcanon, but I’m fairly sure she wanted to dance w/ Yumi)

Yumi x Sachiko:

  • At this point in the story, I actually really like their relationship. They’re secure and supportive of each other, and Sachiko has become so much more reasonable
  • Sachiko being super nervous to meet Yumi’s parents, when it hadn’t even occurred to Yumi :joy:
  • Yumi meeting Sachiko’s father by accident cuz of the scavenger hunt :joy:

Yumi x Kanako:

  • I like that Kanako’s finally engaging w/ her as a person
  • Also that fact that all she wanted was a picture together was great

Touko x Kanako:

  • I love how much they hate each other :joy:
  • The whole thing with them fighting in the middle of the match… I have to wonder whether that was just them being ridiculous, or (my own headcanon/wishful thinking) Touko was trying to help Yumi indirectly
  • I’m really curious about the fact that they both showed up at the 山百合会の館together at the end

Yoshino:

  • Fiery, cranky, and enjoyable as always. She’s like 75% of what made the sports festival beareable
  • The whole bet she made w/ Eriko is great, and I’m curious to see how that plays out.
    • Spoiler for S4 & corresponding: I’m looking forward to meeting Nana, and getting more of her in the books
  • Her not telling Yumi about the point difference at the end was hilarious

Anyway as you can tell, I don’t like sports, but I really enjoy Toukou :stuck_out_tongue:

Random text b/c Discourse is being a pain… ok seriously, Discourse :confused:

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How is the series structured? I gathered that the POV characters change and are different in volume 2, is that correct (just like the Flowers visual novels)? But surely, at 37 volumes, they don’t introduce me pairs 37 times, so it’s just 9 or so POV characters?

Can the novels be read out of order?

Any idea what would be necessary knowledge to read お釈迦様もみてる?

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Thank you for creating this thread! :heart_eyes:

Yes, that’s right. The author switches between the POV characters regularly. There are even volumes where the POV character switches almost every chapter. I usually check for Yumi how she is called, if present, to see who “I” am right now.

EDIT:

There probably may be some volumes that can be read out of order, but I would not do so. Though the author starts a volume from one characters PoV she switches and within those she also sometimes starts a little bit back in time, so you get kind of background story there from another characters point of view.

I haven’t checked. I suppose they can be read in parallel a bit, but I don’t know

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I will gather here some ongoing thoughts to have them in one place. :point_down:

reply: Book 9 impressions (Ongoing - 19%)

You started with volume 9, cool! :slight_smile:

The background story about Noriko and her being the PoV is really interesting, right? I also like her interaction with her - was it her grandma? - relative, where she is staying. This volume definitely gives a lot of depth to Noriko’s character.

I really had picked a difficult volume to start with volume 9 back then +laugh+ I hope it gets better before you encounter the Buddhism stuff

There won’t be many people probably right now to read about my following thoughts, but wanted to drop them here as long as they are fresh

Book 28 impressions

I reeeally loved this book. It’s Yumi’s and Touko’s date where they visit the hospital of Touko’s grandfather. Most of this story is covered in the last episode of the 4th anime season, but what really got me in the novel was how you could really feel their dialogue or to be more precise the stillness. Both are thinking. Both are feeling. It feels so right that Yumi is mostly listening without judging. And it is so relatable how they look outside the train or bus, or sharing a meal without so much talking. Everything is kind of shadowed by Touko’s sad feelings about her past and whereabouts. So it would not fit to try to cheer up the atmosphere here. This is so sincere.

Then we also have a story about a sister pair (need to check the names later), where one got into accident and a memory loss. That almost feels like the openings of Isekai mangas. A little dramatic, but I really enjoyed this! Also the kind of triangular relationship between those three girls.

Book 29 impressions (Ongoing - 50%) - spoilers hidden in subdetails
フレーム オブ マインド (ongoing)

I wanted to read how the main story continues and not some background stories. Though they are interesting I was a bit frustrated. Until now I don’t know how exactly Yumi and Touko became sisters though I suspect they met before the statue of Maria. I’m also not sure whether it is on the same day as the date. Probably not because of the atmosphere from the last volume, but I’m really curious.

So currently there is a background story about Tsutako-san preparing for the farewell of her Senpais in the photography club. She needs to select some photos that were not officially presented or create new ones. I think they are doing some kind of presentation with this within the photography club later as kind of goodbye present.

4月のデジャブ

One of my favorite stories in Marimite so far. Ichigo gets into an accident right after the entrance ceremony. There was one girl she befriended with, but she couldn’t remember her name. Only her voice and she was sure she had visited but her mother declined. Ichigo was unconcious for one year and then gets back to school and befriends one, she thinks might be the one she is longing for.
We then have some kind of misunderstandings with お姉さん and I really like this kind of linguistic misunderstanding (先輩のお姉さん vs. 本当のお姉さん). We also have a bit of drama with almost another accident. This situation also felt a bit like the entrances to Isekai stories, laugh, and I enjoyed it. Really interesting story!

三つ葉のクローバー

This story is about Mayu who is in the same year as Yumi, Shimako, Yoshino, Chisato. And also a tragic one. I really liked how Mayu’s feelings are described and how her story is connected to Chisato and her longing for Rei. At the same time I had a bit tears in my eyes when Mayu meets her ex-big sister and her classmate from kindergarden, Akemi. I like Mayu’s background story with Akemi and could relate to “searching for the four leaved cloverleaf” that it would bring luck and also that one could search for like hours in the hope of finding.
I kind of connected to Mayu a lot in her way of thinking. Though I probably would not have acted upon them like searching for the best big sister out there.

枯れ木に芽吹き

This is about Shouko’s real big sister, Katsumi, who is three years older than her.
The story begins with Shouko visiting her sister in her room and giving her a picture as a present and then goes a bit into Katsumi’s past that is related to that picture.
While reading I was calculating like "Ah, then Katsumi must have been the same year as Youko, Sei & Eriko. Oh, it would be so cool, if the picture was a picture of Eriko … and I was so happy when I was right. :heart_eyes: A little bit of fan-work for me. +laugh+
Though what I enjoyed most in this story was to actually get a bit more background about Shouko. And the more I read this volume I assume we will get a lot of infos also about Tsutako and Shouko and in フレーム オブ マインド hopefully get to see how the relationship between Tsutako and Shouko evolves. Shouko is kind of an interesting character, because I cannot really grasp her. And also Tsutako somehow gets more mature the more the story goes on :laughing:

黄色い系

That was totally unexpected and such a fan moment for me! :heart_eyes: Reading the title I was thinking this might be about some background story with Yoshino, but it actually was about how Eriko-sama found, decided and made Rei her little sister. Such a nice story! I really enjoyed jumping into her PoV storytelling. And somehow … I often thought how typically this was for Eriko-sama. Like in the beginning standing there and watching the new first years coming to school. Just watching if somebody sparks an interest. And one day right when she wanted to give up for the day Rei appeared, running, as she seemed late, but then meeting her again before Maria’s statue, standing there a long time, Eriko-sama was wondering “Didn’t she run before? And now she is praying so earnestly?”
I really enjoyed how we as the readers could observe that Eriko-sama somehow ended up following her, watching her, trying not to be too impolite, then getting excited about all the stuff she does not know about this first year student and that she wants to get to know this by herself and not getting any information from her big sister.

Also what I recognized is that the three roses where all addressed with their titles still. We do not get any names from them. So the big sister from Eriko-sama is just the yellow rose.

And again the new years students ceremony get some meaning. Eriko-sama now understands in which class Sei is, and directly after the ceremony is going to meet her. Also Youko-sama is leaving early. I wonder, whether we get her background story one time, too.

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It follows Yumi through all 3 years of high school and is linear. Some volumes have 2-3 stories, but occasionally 1 story spans 2 volumes. Occasionally things will be shown anachronistically - ex: you don’t find out the story of how Sei & Shimako got together, until the final portion of the graduation novels.

The PoV character are 90% the rose families (mostly Yumi), but occasionally there are important side characters who get their time (either their own story, or just a section or two). I’m only at the beginning of year 2, but I think there will be 2-4 new perspective characters for this year

Wrt vol 2, Yumi is still the main perspective character, but Yoshino & Rei both get time as well, since the book is largely about them

Usually the author is good at matching the character’s narration style, but occasionally I’ve gotten multiple pages into a section before I have any clue whose head I’m in

I don’t think the novels can be read out of order. They often refer to events/developments from previous novels, and you’ll probably be very disoriented. The author does refer in one afterword, to reading the stories within that particular volume in order, and in another afterword even says that some readers may want to skip one of the stories (I forget which one), based on their preferences

My guess is it’s probably written to stand on its own, but at the same time, knowing that it follows Yumi’s brother and (slight spoiler for volume 4) Kashiwagi, Suguru, there’s probably some occasional tie-ins

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Yes, focusing on the rose families. Later on in the volumes, though it is still mostly Yumi, the other members of the rose families PoV increases, I feel

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Good point! The narration style really changes - what is kind of amazing I think to be able to do so -, but yes I also sometimes struggle some pages to get a clue where I am and that’s where it proved helpful to me to watch out for how Yumi is called :smiley:

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Have someone watched the live-action movie? I haven’t, and I just wonder why :thinking:

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More book 9

She’s an interesting contrast to Sei as well. Unlike Sei, she doesn’t have this perception that she’s defective. She’s situationally doing the wrong thing (in her perception), but she doesn’t really have the internalized homophobia and self-hatred the way Sei initially does. Her struggle is instead with guilt, and being found out (very Catholic of her :stuck_out_tongue: )

If I got it right, is her grandfather’s younger sister, but “some older relative”, in any case. Their dynamic is refreshing - it’s nice to see a family who isn’t so formal in the story for once

Yeah there’s been more sentences than usual throwing me off this time, and even a few I still didn’t get after checking the translation! 間もなく I’ll be at her temple visit (she’s at the station, and just (uncertainly) saw Shimako. I’m tbh not too worried about the Buddhism stuff. I think most of it will show up in the dictionary, and will be in “oh, ok” territory

Also it took me a bit to realize Touko refers to herself in 3rd person. It’s interesting how she starts to cry when Noriko tries to push her away over the マリア祭 explanation thing. Already setting up the multiple layers for her character (she clearly knows she’s pushing this boundary, yet she’s earnestly trying to be helpful (which Noriko is understandable scared of), and it’s kind of compulsive for her, yet she’s hurting herself at the same time from doing it.

The problem is when Yumi isn’t even in the section (thinking of Minako’s specifically). So new, super stiff speech style and nothing to go off of. By the time she even mentions Yumi, it’s like halfway through, and she’s already identified herself

I watched the very beginning and flipped through a few scenes. It seems well done. I’d watch it, but I don’t wanna burn myself out on the beginning story (which is also my least favorite), so I’ll wait till later

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Comments to @暁のルナ review of the first marimite light novel

As I wrote in my review for the anime S1, the story makes a pretty terrible first impression.

You’ve said similar things in the forum. And I’ve been meaning to ask why you stuck with it anyway. But I assume the reason is that you started with the anime, which adapts more than the first light novel?

You get introduced to way too many characters (most of whom are initially rather unpleasant)

I basically ignored everyone who wasn’t Sachiko, Yumi or Sugaru.

using French titles

I can’t be the only one who ignored the French ruby/furigana. I basically felt like I was reading a Sentai novel, with all the color coded characters.

In fact I don’t know any of their names. I know a few things any the white rose. And I think Shimako is her sour. The red one, I just know she is the same “family” as Yumi and Sachiko. And the yellow one is like “of right, there are three”.

It was originally written as an antithesis to BL (boys love) stories of the time

Can you explain that a little? Just gender flipped or trying to avoid certain tropes?

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Yeah, and the reason I stuck with the show was a mix of talking about it with my friend, knowing it was an old school classic, and stubbornness (also I know sometimes I’m too harsh on things). I’d also already had a similar experience with 私の百合はお仕事です! S1 | L25 as well. Season 1 adapts the first 6 novels iirc.

By the time I was reading the novels, I had finished S1 and wanted to see how it was done in the novels. So I knew what I was in for with the first arc.

Yoshino and Shimako were the only characters besides the main duo that I could also remember clearly, and Tsutako cuz she was a pain in the ass (I like her as the series goes on tho). Well Suguru is impossible to forget. My impression of characters at that point was basically “how nice or unhelpful are they to Yumi”

As you surmised, it’s not so important to know who the older characters in volume 1 are anyway

Unfortunately watching the anime, I didn’t have a choice. By the time I got to the books, I could sorta remember them, if I thought hard enough. It did help realizing that they were names of actual roses (tho I’ve forgotten what’s what at this point)

At this point I’ve got everybody’s names and families clear, tho the amount of times I momentarily mix up Sei and Rei is annoying :sweat_smile: It does become a lot easier to remember who’s who starting in volume 2

Apparently she was bored and disinterested in the BL stories coming out of shoujo magazines/少女小説 at the time. She wanted to write something that would appeal to her (and others in her cycle). So she didn’t particularly the initial one-shot (which starts in 2nd year) or the first novel with Class-S or yuri in mind. Tho it seems like she probably had some influence from/familiarity with works that had inherited from the Class-S stuff, in the first place.

Some fans started describing it as yuri early on, and she was very positive about receiving that descriptor (and mentions that in the afterword of the 2nd novel). I imagine she must have become more familiar with both genres as the novels went on, but I couldn’t point to concrete examples rn.

Wrote a review for book 9, and updated my previous comment with the more rant-y versions I wrote, as I was reading. Tldr: I love Noriko’s narration, and that she thinks the ppl at Lilian’s are nuts, so much. And it was a fun story (tho the anime does the 2nd portion even better)

I think I know what’s coming up in book 10, and it will be the beginning of a fun rollercoaster that Sachiko won’t be riding :stuck_out_tongue: think I’m maybe getting ahead of myself here

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It’s interesting that you say that for you this is where the series starts, because personally I stopped at volume 8 :slight_smile: (I also skipped 5 and 6 because at the time I was buying what I found second hand in book-off, so the “next” volume wasn’t always there to be bought.) I think mainly at the time I felt like I’d had enough marimite and was ready to put the series down, and the graduation volume seemed a good point to do it, before the author introduced a load of new characters.

I have seen S2 of the anime, but so long ago I’ve forgotten everything.

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That’s certainly a good stopping point if you wanted to put the series down. Idk personally I find the OG Roses (besides Sei) to be pretty stale and constricting. With occasional exceptions, I feel like they don’t add much of anything. Also you come into the story with more than half of Year 1 finished, and things feel kinda dreary and set in stone already. There’s a lot of (necessary) backstory. A new school year is more exciting!

I find it fascinating that the first story in book 9 Noriko & Shimako meeting under the lone Sakura tree, and then later again at Shimako’s family’s Buddhist temple was basically the genesis of the series.

There’s only really 2 new (non-NPC) characters who get introduced for probly the next 6 volumes (I forget the actual number) fwiw.

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Finished book 10 and wrote a probly boring review , cuz I didn’t want to give away too much. Plus some reactions in my ongoing comment. Unfortunately the forums were down all day, so no いちいちな感想 for the remaining portion. As I love about this series, the use of recontextualization for events you’ve already experienced continues to be excellent! And the drama (at least in story 3) is fresh & peak :slight_smile: Tbh I kinda wish I’d been able to read it prior to seeing it animated (which they did a really excellent job with)

Story 2 thought: I love the way Yoshino and Rei fight, but still work out their issues in the end. It was really fun to read, cuz you could totally see where both of them were coming from.

Story 3 thoughts

The 3rd story is my 2nd or 3rd favorite painful drama arc in the series (the other rival being Sei’s origin story, and later on all the back and forth with Yumi & Touko that I’m really looking forward to)

In part cuz I’ve seen the anime, I had a slightly more level impression of Sachiko in story 3 (don’t worry, she still pissed me off plenty in story 1, and some moments of story 3). And also has a somewhat different impression of Touko this time around. I’m super looking forward to next volume!

I noticed there’s some subtle things I missed when I watched the anime. Also I really wish Yumi had given back the rosary to Sachiko at that point. (Spoiler for next volume: Tho knowing what comes in the next volume, I’m glad she didn’t, cuz that would have been an excruciatingly painful time to break up, and even Sachiko doesn’t deserve that)

Anyway it’s interesting to read what’s basically a (very tastefully written) NTR storyline and (spoiler for next volume): the way the author totally subverts that

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I didn’t recognized that you would update your post above with gathering reactions. That is such a nice idea. Guess I will also gather my thoughts in one place and then link them :heart_eyes:

Reaction reply to book 10

I also did not like how Sachiko was treating Noriko while trying to open the way for Shimako and Noriko to become sisters. Feels like she is doing the same as her bigger sister one year prior, though Youko was not that mean to Yumi, was she?

That is something I really like tho in these novels and in general while reading. Overlapping story telling - switching between different times (like in Lucinda Rileys books). My detective cells are working while reading :joy:

I also had to laugh, when Yoshino got paired with Chisato upon entering the club. And

I totally agree. I like the whole Yellow-rose relationships a lot. Their way of working things out or teasing each other softly is so great :heart_eyes:

Yeah, the drama starts in story 3 and continues the following book :smiley: I’m curious how you will think about volume 11

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So, I finished volume 1 of マリア様がみてる last week (or the week before that if you believe the week starts at Sunday). And I’ve been waffling on whether or not I want to continue the series. But I don’t think I will, except for trying お釈迦様もみてる.

Pro:

  • I like the idea of reading a longer character focused slice of lief series
  • You guys seem to have fun, and I would like to be part of that
  • I liked Yumi

Contra:
While I liked Yumi

  • I don’t think I like the setting of religious/elite/posh private school
  • Yumi doesn’t seem to have a very strong personality. In fact, it felt like Sachiko was really the star of the first novel and Yumi is just the lense through which the reader can see her (and presumably the other characters in the later novels)

  • While I think I can appreciate non-romantic relationships in fiction, the way Yumi gets self-conscious, blushes and gets Sachiko-conscious over underwear or the way they dance, the way she admires her, it all seems very far from a platonic relationship among equals. And knowing that it doesn’t lead to anything makes me confident I don’t want to read the rest.

Here is what I’m planing to read instead:

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Definitely curious to hear how they compare once you read it. Fwiw Hanadera (Yuki’s school) is also a religious school (Buddhist), but seems a lot more normal/down to earth. I’m planning to read those right after マリみて as well.

This becomes less the case as the story goes on (and sometimes Yumi isn’t the perspective character at all)

Re: their relationship - I think “romantic friendship” is the best way to describe it (and many/most of the sister relationships). Totally fair that that’s not what you want to read.

You found one I’ve never heard of, nice! I added the yuri tag to it on here. Hope you enjoy the other two :slight_smile: I need to read 明日の世界 2-3 eventually

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