Week 20 | また、同じ夢を見ていた / 또다시 같은 꿈을 꾸었어 | Beginner’s LN club

Welcome to Week 20 of また、同じ夢を見ていた / 또다시 같은 꿈을 꾸었어 :slight_smile:

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Week 20 Jun 9 2024
Chapter 10 (part 2 of 2)
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:jp: Pages 291 - 300
:jp: Final line 終わり!
:kr: Pages 276 - 285
:kr: Final line The end!
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  • Any spoilers, for the current chapters must be behind spoilers or detail curtains. When we get further in you don’t need to hide details that were revealed in previous chapters.
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It’s the final week!! Congrats if you made it this far - and thank you for participating. お疲れ様でした / Well done :slight_smile:

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So here we are at the end! Firstly, thank you so much for hosting the book club. I probably would not have read this without the club.

First things first: I think I overall enjoyed my time with this book, but I don’t know if I would have if I wasn’t a Japanese learner. The main thing is that I felt as I was going along like I felt like I was becoming more capable of parsing long sentences, especially ones that were twisty-turny weaving around a lot. I think the main thing is - despite appearances - the vocab used in the book is actually relatively limited in scope; I feel the amount of lookups I needed to make by, oh, about halfway through had fallen quite significantly and it was getting easier and easier to start to read in a flow state for longer periods of time. Now I still don’t think I completely understood everything in that flow state, but I will probably revisit this in a year or two and see how my understanding is.

Now about the actual contents. No surprises if you’ve been following my posts; I think overall I enjoyed the book when it was being very Big Emotions and much much less whenever it was getting into magical realism. Nanoka and her gradual growing-up over the course of the book was very satisfying, but I just completely don’t see the need for it to have the magical realism elements of future-her or alt-universe her or whatever at all. Obviously the final final chapter/epilogue which throws up some ‘was it all a bunch of dreams within a dream’ sort of stuff messes with that even more but tbh by that point I was just sort of tired of the whole thing and happy for it to end.

Caveat: I do think a lot of this is also tied to the fact I am a learner and interpreting this is all a lot of effort, so the effort > reward value sort of gets messed up compared to the average reader. It might even be in another medium (manga, anime) I am more willing to buy in, so to speak. But in book form I can’t say I really was enchanted by what was happening.

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Ending

Me when the book called “I had the same dream again” ends with “it was all just a dream”:
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I probably missed this, as it seems. I only read that the adult Nanoka also has recurring dreams. Hers contain the question: Are you happy? And so far she can answer: Yes.

For me the book did not give a solution, it just hinted at possibilities. Anyway, I hate books or movies where they show something seemingly supernatural and at the end comes some natural explanation out of thin air. This book thankfully does not do that.

Btw: I like the end, which plays with kanji readings 菜の花 vs. 奈ノ花.

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I was in this book club and read and finished the book weeks ago like I barely even remember the book at this point. I did get into it as I had mentioned weeks back around the grocery store incident and plowed through to the finish. I also read this book properly on the Kindle without the audiobook. It was a long time ago but I believe what happened at the end was: she (forgot all their names) has now grown old and is together with the man (a boy in the story) whom she helped to encourage his artwork skill. She is now a writer and he is a painter. The bulk of the book is her dreaming back to her childhood about how she met him and how she both became inspired to become a writer and how she had helped to encourage her now-husband (or partner, etc.,) to become a painter and saved him from becoming 引きこもり.

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Finished the book, too.

Thank you so much @暁のルナ for hosting the club!

The book was overall ok, but as I said before the moment I had to realise/admit to myself what the outcome would be I somewhat lost interest, unfortunately. Especially the last chapters dragged along for me. I guess I finished it only because I was reading it with the book club. :woman_shrugging:

Nevertheless, reading it together with all of you has been fun!

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ending reaction

Haha, same :joy: I can’t claim to have been mislead with that title, but it still feels that way.
Though I guess we are meant to think that she accurately dreamed about her actual childhood? So everything did happen, in a way.
Also, just how often did we get a title drop?? Feels like constantly once Minamis storyline was over.

overall thoughts

I did like it overall, and I also enjoyed the overall theme of the book. “What makes you happy” came up a bunch and we did see some varied answers to that question.

I kind of wish we could see how the “lessons” Nanoka learned affected her behavior more.
Minami taught Nanoka to be open about her feelings and got her to talk to her parents, thereby preventing their deaths.
… But was that a one off? Did Nanokas relationship to her parents improve after that? … Guess not, considering how little they appear in the story :sweat_smile: Oh, Nanoka has problems in school and a friend of hers is getting bullied? Welp, guess Nanoka doesn’t have to talk to her parents about it. She truly internalized Minamis lesson, huh?

Abazure-san talked about how perceiving others as beneath her caused her to become alienated and lonely, thereby helping Nanokas relationship with Kiryu.
… Did this affect how she treats others in her class? And how the other kids perceive and treat her? The last chapter takes place many years later, did she get any friends other than Kiryu? … And no, I am not counting the cat!
I guess Nanoka paid attention during the presentation of the other kids last chapter, out of respect. Is that the big character growth moment?
… did the bullies ever get scolded for how they treated Kiryu? Guess we will never find out.

And grandma… Don’t really remember what it was :joy: Maybe because I was very tired, but I don’t remember what grandma taught her :sweat_smile:

The writing style was very fun! Probably the biggest reason I enjoyed the book so much. And while I would have liked a more vague “These three are future Nanokas” and more actual change from Nanoka, I did find the ending with her being happy and thankful for what she has very nice.

Thanks @暁のルナ for hosting! The club was super fun - I would have never picked up this book otherwise!

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I agree, this is a feeling I had for a lot of the book. The connection between the lessons learned and the futures avoided just wasn’t there for me.

I also said this in the What are you reading today? thread, but I didn’t like her ending up with 桐生くん, it makes it seem like nothing happened in her life between elementary school and being an adult. I don’t mind “falls in love with childhood best friend” stories, but those at least show characters falling in love as adults/teens. It just kills the realism of a story for me, to have someone’s entire life revolve around a cast of like 3 characters total.

Overall, a smooth read, slow enough that it didn’t feel right reading just a bit every week. I liked the writing style well enough that I might read another book by the same author, but hopefully one with a very different protagonist.

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Phew - I’m finally through this last chapter. I feel like this was the hardest one from a vocab perspective… I had to look up so much! Not a pleasent way to end it, after it was going fairly smoothly before.

Ending thoughts

Yeah, I think that’s it. She talks about Abazure-san & co later in the final chapter and it’s clear that she’s not just talking about dream characters, first when she mentions that by now she gets the meaning of the name “Abazure-san” (implying that she didn’t earlier… when it happened in her childhood) and even more clearly so when she says that in the end she wasn’t able to meet them again.

I think we got it once for each character right before they disappeared.

Which is even more weird. What the heck was their dream? Was it about their own version of their childhood? Why? And why did they have it again shortly before disappearing?

And what’s the significance of the repeating dream anyway? It doesn’t seem to play any role in the whole story!

Overall thoughts

I agree with that. I have nothing against magical realism and I welcomed it at the time when it started, but I don’t think it was handled particularly satisfying and in the end detracted from the whole “we helped each other” thing. I think it would’ve been a fine story without that.

What I really enjoyed in the book was the witty writing, and I also liked Nanoka’s personality and thoughts in general.

And the audiobook was fantastic! :sparkles:

Thanks for organizing this book club, @暁のルナ!

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I think their dreams were the same as adult Nanoka’s are now, namely the question, whether they were happy.

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